Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?

I'm thinking what RN was saying was he figures an amount that is mentally not pain staking. For example even if I risk .25% of a 5million dollar account on a trade, that is still a good bit of money to mentally handle losing. It might only be .25% of the account but that is over $10,000 per trade. Personally losing $10,000 in under say 5 minutes is really hard for me personally accept. I think RN strongly considers what amount of money he can accept mentally and then makes sure it is in line with overall pure % in risk. He's also not risking $50.00 on a $100.00 account. That was my interpretation of what he was saying. I'm sure he will add to it.
 
Quote from poland:

hi RN,

can you explain what you meant by 2-5points in terms of cents?
in a previous post you gave an example of a 4 cents stop loss.

Please correct if i didn't understand your meaning correctly.
You said you define your stop loss by how much you are willing to lose....not in terms of your % of your account.

Yes, I agree with this method. But sometimes I think stop loss should be define on the chart where there price is likely to fail if reaches that level.

But in this case, it might be > than 4cents(just for illustration)???
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PO

I plagiarized this from some dumbass’ post; see if it make sense

Please remember - I trade stocks - so I think in terms of cents... not points as in trading the ES

I simply used the term "points' in the example I posted to BD


Some context

I’ve id that price is ranging; say 45.10 to 45.50

Hence I’ll trade it as such


If I were to go long, I would consider it a fail trade once price hit 45.09

If I were to short, I would consider it a failed trade once price hit 45.51


My stop is .04 cents


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Before I can enter a long; price must come within .04 cents of 45.09

Likewise before I can short; price must come within .04 cents of 45.51

Any more than .04 is more risk then I am willing to assume

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Never do I identify a stop by a % of my account… my stop is always .04 cents (or whatever “specific” amount I choose)

Granted I can certainly do a little math and come up with what % of my account is at risk…. But I’ve yet to see a % of an account reflected on a chart…

Otoh; I know exactly where .04 cents from where any given trade would fail – is…, immediately

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This example is based on horizontal price movement... it works diagonally as well….

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I view this stop methodology (thinking in terms of cents) as a fundamental building block…

imho

It instills identifying/ focusing on where a trade fails

It makes one read/ think in terms of PA

It instills patience – must wait till price gets within my designated loss amount, otherwise if it doesn’t, I’ll simply sit this one out….

It helps in focusing on trading... instead of one’s account

Losing .04 cents (or whatever one decides) is a lot easier to accept and move on from, than say losing 40.00/ 400.00/ 4000.00, or what ever
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Quote from Redneck:

PO

I simply used the term "points' in the example I posted to BD
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PO

Upon reflection; I should make one small, but rather salient observation



Your post, and my subsequent reply to you – is referencing stop losses


Whereas;

BD’s post, and my reply to him – is referencing profit targets (and how to exit them)



I believe multiple point profit targets…. with penny stops – would make for some good trading

otoh;

Hate to think of the consequences if we were to confuse the two Sir

RN
 
Bd

I learned not to get too excited about 1 specific "ah ha" moment. I lost money in the past by getting over excited. Trust me I know the feeling. I have found thus far that it is a culmination of a lot of little moments and not one big one. At least that's how the road ha been for me.
 
Dear Redneck

Firstly I would just like to say I am a huge fan of your theories, thoughts and beliefs. You may or may not hear this all the time but I would just like to say I have allot of respect and gratitude for you and Mr Nysestocks for all the information you have shared with us. I understand there are no experts however what you teach has really changed my way of thinking. I casually read the thread to about pg 200, then went back to the beginning and have been studying post for post by Nysestocks and yourself with a microscope trying to unravel the answer/s to the question/s. I'm struggling a little however im not giving up.

I tried to write you an email however it says you're not recieveing atm.

The reason for my writing is to introduce myself, I'm Ryan, I'm from Zimbabwe and have been trading now for a year and a half. I trade mainly Forex however my mind is open to anything as its all gambling and I might believe forex is just another table at the casino, and or is more manipulated but what do i know.

I just really, really want to succeed with my trading (im not doing to well) out of everything in my life and everything I've done up to this point with my trading has been listening to the experts. So I was using indicators and looking into automated and algorithm type trading.

When I started reading why is the obvious not so obvious I knew this is how i need to think to become a better and a successful trader. I am willing to do anything to figure it out. However I'm not doing so well infact im trading worse thn when i started. I feel there's many paths to try and test and I feel I may be walking down the wrong one/s.

Sir, Please if it's alright with you, would you mind if i asked you a few questions and some guidance. I have many questions but will only ask a few as i don't want to waste your time.

I thank you for your time.

Kind Regards

Dontrader
 
I appologise to the rest of you guys if the message above was totally off topic. I really just need some help. I was unable to email Redneck so, this was the next best thing. If anybody has been in contact with Mr Redneck please let him know, or if you coud help me, I would greatly appreciate it. Allot of the quetions I have are based on the begining of the thread so would probably be better if I PM you as not to mess up the current conversations in this thread.

Thank you
 
DT01

Thank You…, but straight up – I ain't looking for fans or followers

I do - whatever it is I do on this forum… because that is what I do – period


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Also, call me skeptic, but your posts are a little over the top imo

Be that as it may


You say you’ve been listening to experts and still not doing well….

But you think listening to me will somehow change that…

Hmmm…, again call me skeptic

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You have questions, ask away right here in this thread – I’ll answer the best I can – IF – You first answer one question of mine

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How do you think I – could help You – be a better trader?


RN
 
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