Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?

[The Oracle]

Quote from Mysteron:

It would be silly to enter a trade if price isn't moving in the same direction as the trade.

not the answer MN..although it makes perfect sense what u say

price will move..into the grove
when inside..do not hide
once ur in..tis easy grin
use the box..to save ur sox

 

[The Oracle]

Quote from poland:

Thanks Mekanikal. I will read them all.

PL..remember the famous quote..do not believe ANYTHING u read..just because it is written!

TFF has mentioned..many times..in many places..how important it is to change the way u think..for..if u change the way u think..then..what happens is you will start to change ur character..and..when u change ur character..u will meet and converse with different people..people who before u would have not thought of conversing with

here we go again...

montaigne..clearly stated..back in the 1583..how fuked up the education system was..and..if it was not changed..then the world would see nothing but so many..

otherwise you make nothing but so many asses laden with books;

how right he was..and today..in 2012..we still have the same stupid idiotic systems in place..but..the real question to ask..is..WHY

TFF knows why..and so do many more..and it is only when u change the way that you think..will you start to see why

never believe anything u read..just because it is written

TO

 

[The Oracle]

Quote from bogan22:

MK,

I'm with you now. Be sure to look at the archived site, as this was the one TE was referring to at that time. Because I'm downunder I found some interesting local facts out of this site, forgot all about it, I'll read it again. But looks as though it's

Thanks for setting me straight.

TO,

Thanks for charts, still digesting, will be back with questions later.

Cheers
Bogan22

u are welcome B22..i see that u are a kangaroo

that site looks good..will look over it and see what truths they say..and how much of it is rubbish..if any?

one point to note..first impressions are always a good sign..so..i would think that this site has a lot to offer those who are serious about trading..but if it is a cleverly constructed website..to hook people in..then no fear..TFF will spill the beans..and..likewise..if it is genuine..then TFF will praise same..for it is very hard to find any good sites about trading..mostly due to some people wanting to take money from gullible people who know no better..like mr papertrader i mentioned earlier

anyone with half a brain..knows that important information is not easily given away by those who posses it..and to get that information..one has to work hard for it..and earn it..for..nature has a funny way of working..and sharing

general point..

we will keep religion and all that crap out of our discussions..if someone wants to worship something..that is entirely their own decision..but do keep it to yourself..and not bother other people with your way of thinking..for..no one gives a shit what u do..really..u can kiss the hairy arse of a wild mountain goat if it makes u feel better..but..do not expect anyone else to kiss it..just cause u do

TO

 

[bogan22]

Quote from The Oracle:

u are welcome B22..i see that u are a kangaroo

that site looks good..will look over it and see what truths they say..and how much of it is rubbish..if any?

one point to note..first impressions are always a good sign..so..i would think that this site has a lot to offer those who are serious about trading..but if it is a cleverly constructed website..to hook people in..then no fear..TFF will spill the beans..and..likewise..if it is genuine..then TFF will praise same..for it is very hard to find any good sites about trading..mostly due to some people wanting to take money from gullible people who know no better..like mr papertrader i mentioned earlier

anyone with half a brain..knows that important information is not easily given away by those who posses it..and to get that information..one has to work hard for it..and earn it..for..nature has a funny way of working..and sharing

general point..

we will keep religion and all that crap out of our discussions..if someone wants to worship something..that is entirely their own decision..but do keep it to yourself..and not bother other people with your way of thinking..for..no one gives a shit what u do..really..u can kiss the hairy arse of a wild mountain goat if it makes u feel better..but..do not expect anyone else to kiss it..just cause u do

TO

Is the general point for me to mull over?



Cheers
Bogan22

 

[bogan22]

Quote from The Oracle:

TFF has mentioned..many times..in many places..how important it is to change the way u think..for..if u change the way u think..then..what happens is you will start to change ur character..and..when u change ur character..u will meet and converse with different people..people who before u would have not thought of conversing with

TO [/B]

Yes, character, being built on Intellect, decision making, emotional energy and ego would change if you to instal/upgrade decision making and intellectual capabilities. And this by the way is what I think Montaigne requires in a tutor.

By way of education, more emphasis on the experential side of the intellect and less of the rote/book, and a requirement for the child to reason for themselves with guidance.

Cheers
Bogan22

 

[The Oracle]

Quote from bogan22:

Yes, character, being built on Intellect, decision making, emotional energy and ego would change if you to instal/upgrade decision making and intellectual capabilities. And this by the way is what I think Montaigne requires in a tutor.

By way of education, more emphasis on the experential side of the intellect and less of the rote/book, and a requirement for the child to reason for themselves with guidance.

Cheers
Bogan22

it is good to talk about other things than just trading

not montaigne

I never read a single book as a child. I did not read as a child. I worked on the farm. I had books in the classroom, but that was it. I never read a single book outside of the classroom.

The way you remember the past depends upon your hope for the future. And if what you see in your future has no hope, it has no potential, then you view the past that brought you to here as not very good.

TO

 

[The Oracle]

the site down under

first major thing noticed is..well..not very good imho

For best results, one piece of advice we can give - learn futures trading, first.
Don't need real money. Find a broker with play-money accounts, and practice.

2nd thing..there is way too much stuff there..needs to be scaled back bigtime and focus on what matters most for making money when trading

3rd thing..look out when u see "research papers"..as this tends to point to lots of academic shyte

quickly losing interest in this site!!

 

[The Oracle]

ok..done..now finished with this site..and it took all of about 5 mins to see that it is just more of the same old rubbish

remember the famous quote

there is option no.7..and that is ask TFF..but do not expect a simple answer..for simple answers are for simple minds

the goal..should u see thru all the crap..is not to become one of the few..but..it is..to not become one of the many

TO

 

[poland]

Dear TO,

please correct me if I am wrong.

1. First basic understanding why price change?
- don't really need to know the reason WHy, but understand some days less change,
some days more change?? what is going on??
* same as any business, buy low sell high...vice versa

2. My objective is make $$ from these price change. Hence I can play any market as long as there is price changes. BUT some market price change faster then another, so I must find a situated pace. wrt to my family. amount of risk & time allocate for trading.

3. set aside an amount of capital "aka" ammunition.
control each trigger, so I can last longer.
With proper calibration, each shot will be nearer to bull's eye.

4. how to find where/when to shot??
look for almost vertical up/down....
it takes alot to move price up/down in a short time...(bob)

5. set a time limit...like fishing, got to change if no fish is biting after certain time.

6. my initial target is to make $200 within 120min daily.....close shop when time is up.

7. actually, I do not need to learn any TA or indicator I think?? maybe I wrong...I should be able to get all the information from a chart and price data...then I can rock & roll.
Reason being , those whales that make price move don't give a shit to any waves or whatvever...it is the price difference that matters....


8. Before I think I will have alot of preparartion work to look thru'.
I am getting a A3 size printer...i think large print out will help...

9. I am still thinking...futures or stocks??

10. lastly, one think I cannot understand...TE & you show a page made up of many small charts of different counters?? is it to check the direction at a larger time frame??

 

[The Oracle]

Quote from poland:

Dear TO,

please correct me if I am wrong.

1. First basic understanding why price change?
- don't really need to know the reason WHy, but understand some days less change,
some days more change?? what is going on??
* same as any business, buy low sell high...vice versa

2. My objective is make $$ from these price change. Hence I can play any market as long as there is price changes. BUT some market price change faster then another, so I must find a situated pace. wrt to my family. amount of risk & time allocate for trading.

3. set aside an amount of capital "aka" ammunition.
control each trigger, so I can last longer.
With proper calibration, each shot will be nearer to bull's eye.

4. how to find where/when to shot??
look for almost vertical up/down....
it takes alot to move price up/down in a short time...(bob)

5. set a time limit...like fishing, got to change if no fish is biting after certain time.

6. my initial target is to make $200 within 120min daily.....close shop when time is up.

7. actually, I do not need to learn any TA or indicator I think?? maybe I wrong...I should be able to get all the information from a chart and price data...then I can rock & roll.
Reason being , those whales that make price move don't give a shit to any waves or whatvever...it is the price difference that matters....


8. Before I think I will have alot of preparartion work to look thru'.
I am getting a A3 size printer...i think large print out will help...

9. I am still thinking...futures or stocks??

10. lastly, one think I cannot understand...TE & you show a page made up of many small charts of different counters?? is it to check the direction at a larger time frame??

ok PL..time to take a step back..and ALWAYS..and i mean ALWAYS..only do what u are comfortable with..fuk everyone else..including TO

NO.1 is ALWAYS only risk a very small % of ur trading capital..burn that into ur fuking brain..for if u don't..u will regret it..this i know for a fact..as TO had to go thru many fuk ups like all who learn the hard way..and some of the fuk ups were more than a very good yearly salary

if only i knew then what i now know..which is i know nothing

armed with No.1..u are now way ahead of most of the idiots who try..not being sarcastic here..just speaking the facts

the next step..no.2.. is where u must take all of ur personal circumstances into consideration..and pick a market that suits u..timewise and moneywise..and again..forget about all the shyte posted on stupid fukin websites..find out what U REALLY like..and if this means putting aside a few $K to make the right choice..then so be it..it is money well spent..never give ur money to anyone else..keep it to learn urself..for that is the best way to learn..for most of the retail traders who try

u had 10 steps/pts..so far TO has mentioned 2..and there is only 1 more that is really required..and it is of course the answer to this thread

u might not like what u read PL..but it is not about what u like..it is about what u need to do..and if u do things right then the odds are in ur favor..and that is how u will make money trading..by playing the odds correctly

trading is a loser's game..remember..so make sure u learn how to become a good loser..the winners will then start to appear.. as surely as day turns to night

TO