Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?
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1. Major stocks have 1 cent spread, and less, can't beat that.
2. Auto routing (with right broker) gets best offer / bid from several exchanges.
3. It is only an advantage if you know how to use them to your advantage.
4. Some traders just trade volume for rebates.
5. Money moves from one sector to another.
6. Pension funds can not sell short, as it is too risky
7. You have a very large pool of high probability candidates to choose form.
8. You can "predict" the future price movement of "certain stocks" based on the index futures contracts.
Futures are highly leveraged products and are not for those with small money to be messing around in the markets with:eek:
There is a time and a place for everything.
Cash is KING.
Taxes are but part of the business, and, there is more than one way to reduce your tax bill
TE
Regarding #8: In order to do this wouldn't you need to know the future movement of the index futures contract? For instance you may see the futures index begin to trend up and you could say IBM will probably follow. But as soon as you buy IBM the futures may turn down, and so may IBM.
Quote from The Expert:
1. Major stocks have 1 cent spread, and less, can't beat that.
2. Auto routing (with right broker) gets best offer / bid from several exchanges.
3. It is only an advantage if you know how to use them to your advantage.
4. Some traders just trade volume for rebates.
5. Money moves from one sector to another.
6. Pension funds can not sell short, as it is too risky
7. You have a very large pool of high probability candidates to choose form.
8. You can "predict" the future price movement of "certain stocks" based on the index futures contracts.
Futures are highly leveraged products and are not for those with small money to be messing around in the markets with:eek:
There is a time and a place for everything.
Cash is KING.
Taxes are but part of the business, and, there is more than one way to reduce your tax bill
TE
I just want to address one the points.
2. I do not trade stocks, but few professional traders told me is that while in theory you should get NBBO, but is does not happen in reality. Too many games can be played with stocks by bots.
My main point is that trading liquid index futures is in no way more risky than trading stocks.
I was very surprised, when I saw you arguing that futures are more dangerous, after having many trading years under your belt.
Regards,
redduke
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what a joke the US Stock Market is what it is, and, there will be NO significant change in most US Pension Fund strategies, for OBVIOUS reasons
who gives a shit about hedgey fundy managers and the "products" they offer
E vs. B
theoretical nonsense..really..u fukin dim wit
Why don't you give JH a shout, you make a nice PAIR
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RE, no prob
Let me clarify, as clarification is always required for most subjects.
Trading Index Ftrs is very risky for those who are not experienced in the markets. The "fluff" that is thrown out there by brokers, so called "market educators", and their spin offs, well, is pure and utter lies.
The novice trader enters the Frts markets thinking that it is possible to make money with tight stops, and, they think this without even understanding the very basis requirements for reading charts effectively:eek:
It is called a "mugs game", and I know, for I was once a "mug", so much so, that I thought I knew it all, and, that I was a great little fellow, able to make money trading any Ftrs market I decided to trade
Then, I had the privilege of meeting some very experienced traders, some having made millions trading their OWN accounts, and guess what, my eyes were really opened to what is and what is not possible in the markets.
As risk is directly proportional to reward, then, it is OBVIOUS that the lesser the risk the lesser the reward. Introduce leverage and this equation now changes, so, a trader best KNOW what is EXACTLY required in order to stay in the game, for, it is easy think that one is immune from violent and sudden shocks, but, it only takes one or two mild shocks to knock a trader out of the Ftrs game if they are not in FULL control.
For an experienced daytrader, with many years of live trading under the belt, in that case, then YES, Ftrs trading can be equal in risk to equity trading, but, I am of the opinion, after trading both Ftrs and Equities, for many years, that, for the beginner who is learning, and keep in mind that this is the only type of person that I am interested in helping out, where possible, then, daytrading US Stocks is far less risky than daytrading Index Ftrs.
It allows the person learn the required skills, by keeping the risk to a realistic minimum, which is a prerequisite to success for mastering the art of gambling in the big bad world of the financial markets.
TE
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RE, no prob
Let me clarify, as clarification is always required for most subjects.
Trading Index Ftrs is very risky for those who are not experienced in the markets. The "fluff" that is thrown out there by brokers, so called "market educators", and their spin offs, well, is pure and utter lies.
The novice trader enters the Frts markets thinking that it is possible to make money with tight stops, and, they think this without even understanding the very basis requirements for reading charts effectively:eek:
It is called a "mugs game", and I know, for I was once a "mug", so much so, that I thought I knew it all, and, that I was a great little fellow, able to make money trading any Ftrs market I decided to trade
Then, I had the privilege of meeting some very experienced traders, some having made millions trading their OWN accounts, and guess what, my eyes were really opened to what is and what is not possible in the markets.
As risk is directly proportional to reward, then, it is OBVIOUS that the lesser the risk the lesser the reward. Introduce leverage and this equation now changes, so, a trader best KNOW what is EXACTLY required in order to stay in the game, for, it is easy think that one is immune from violent and sudden shocks, but, it only takes one or two mild shocks to knock a trader out of the Ftrs game if they are not in FULL control.
For an experienced daytrader, with many years of live trading under the belt, in that case, then YES, Ftrs trading can be equal in risk to equity trading, but, I am of the opinion, after trading both Ftrs and Equities, for many years, that, for the beginner who is learning, and keep in mind that this is the only type of person that I am interested in helping out, where possible, then, daytrading US Stocks is far less risky than daytrading Index Ftrs.
It allows the person learn the required skills, by keeping the risk to a realistic minimum, which is a prerequisite to success for mastering the art of gambling in the big bad world of the financial markets.
TE
Well said TE.
Well PO, the only thing I really know is that I know nothing!
Many go around spouting their "knowledge" of the markets, and how they work, when, the reality is such, that, in order to make money trading, you need to know fuk all about the markets, really, and the less you know, the better
The art of extracting money from idiots, is, well, a simple art, and, all it requires is some common sense thinking and some basic skills in relation to data compilation and interpretation.
Most seem to forget that the internet can be The Master Key, as, it is possible to find the required relevant information in a very short time, if one but knows how to LOOK
For instance, this document can be found and downloaded in about 5 mins, and I would say even 2 mins if you are any way internet savvy.
Is this information of any real value?
Well, as usual, that depends on who is reading it
TE
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after reading 119 pages of this shit i have discovered nothing that I didn't know before.
thanks.. the obvious is really not that obvious.. nysestocks is a genius.
thanks.. the obvious is really not that obvious.. nysestocks is a genius.
Failing to discover or understand is typical, but to discover nothing, is truly an achievement.
When you come to the realisation that you know nothing, it is at that point that you start to learn.
The next step it to read the 240 pages of 'If you want to fail as a trader, study TA'.
Have fun