Why Is The Baboon Freaking Out Now? Explained

[exGOPer]

Business confidence is a major consideration for business decisions. We see examples of this when a business moves from a high tax, high regulatory state such as California to more business friendly states such as Washington, Utah, New Mexico, and Texas. Although California has inherent advantages such as a large population base and direct overseas shipping, many businesses weigh the overall costs of doing business and in many recent cases have elected to expand in other states. Some maritime companies have gone as far as bypassing California ports completely when shipping from Asia to states such as Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina. It is cheaper to pay Panama Canal fees, the extra fuel expense for thousands of extra miles travelled, and the personal and equipment utilization costs for all the extra days travelled than to ship directly to California because of it's port fees and regulatory practices.

In my own personal situation, I am relocating my businesses from Washington State to South Dakota for it's very friendly tax and regulatory environment.

Business confidence is critical to a healthy economy and this fact is usually only understood by business owners and knowledgeable investors.

Trump's pro business promises and the partial, so far, delivery of these promises has reduced the risk of doing business and has encouraged business expansion. This in turn increases the demand for goods and services, including the need for employees, and can become a virtuous economic cycle.

As you point out almost continually, Trump is not perfect. However, when it comes to our nation's economy, he is delivering in spades through creating pro-business policies.

Yes business confidence is a major consideration which I said is a function of a business' profitability - not JUST it's tax liability.

Your rhetoric is plain nonsense and is countered by actual data

When you say 'business friendly' what you mean is environment and labor unfriendly - things that makes a place livable. Otherwise why just move to Texas - why not move to Vietnam and Bangladesh like many already have, taxes and regulations are next to nothing there.

 

[exGOPer]

The only one heaving excrement around here is you and your ilk.

Leftists here have more class and show more restraint than your moral conservative values leader on his twitter feed. A baboon has more class coming out of his ass than Dotard's entire family.

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

Yes business confidence is a major consideration which I said is a function of a business' profitability - not JUST it's tax liability.

Your rhetoric is plain nonsense and is countered by actual data

When you say 'business friendly' what you mean is environment and labor unfriendly - things that makes a place livable. Otherwise why just move to Texas - why not move to Vietnam and Bangladesh like many already have, taxes and regulations are next to nothing there.

There are several issues with this chart:
1) It ends in 2013. We were talking about Trump's performance of his economic policies. Trump started work as President in 2017.

2) Your chart shows as of 2013, Obama's first four years, business creation had not yet reached the levels reached prior to the Great Recession. By the way, the large number of Government jobs created such as in the consumer protection agency had little or even negative economic value as it unnessessarily increased business costs and risks. Don't get me wrong, I do want unethical businesses to pay for their crimes. However, when an Government entity amounts to a shakedown racket, business owners become scared to start or expand a business.

In addition, it appears that partisanship has infiltrated even non-governmental regulatory agencies such as the Appraisal Institute. Appraiser training now includes information that is supportive of Leftist ideology regarding property rights and Government regulations.

Furthermore, under the Obama Administration, the were regulations that created new industries that provided mandatory products and services required because of these new regulations. These are inspection, energy usage monitoring, and emissions control related industries. This has the effect of also unnessessarily increasing the cost and risk of doing business. Economically, this amounts to business digging a hole and another business filling it in.

It is no wonder why Trump is like a breath of fresh air when it comes to business and the economic benefits associated with a healthy business climate.

3) Business creation is one thing. How about how many of these businesses end up surviving into viable concerns that provide jobs (A qualitative measure)?

You are having an off day. Get up and stretch. Maybe walk or jog around the block. Your statement that my "rhetoric is plain nonsense and is countered by actual data" is not supported by your chart. Try again.

 

[exGOPer]

There are several issues with this chart:
1) It ends in 2013. We were talking about Trump's performance of his economic policies. Trump started work as President in 2017..

I was countering your point about 'taxes and regulation', Trump's performance has absolutely nothing to do with STATE taxes and regulations which is the point you made. It was the first chart I found and it showed trends for more than a decade which is enough to prove my point

2) Your chart shows as of 2013, Obama's first four years, business creation had not yet reached the levels reached prior to the Great Recession. By the way, the large number of Government jobs created such as in the consumer protection agency had little or even negative economic value as it unnessessarily increased business costs and risks. Don't get me wrong, I do want unethical businesses to pay for their crimes. However, when an Government entity amounts to a shakedown racket, business owners become scared to start or expand a business.

You may want to look at the actual numbers and then show me if there is a spike or continuation from the Obama era - in fact job growth has slowed down.

Secondly, what shakedown racket? Are you telling me that in the US with a government bought out by business, there is a shakedown of businesses? Give me one example.

Furthermore, under the Obama Administration, the were regulations that created new industries that provided mandatory products and services required because of these new regulations. These are inspection, energy usage monitoring, and emissions control related industries. This has the effect of also unnessessarily increasing the cost and risk of doing business. Economically, this amounts to business digging a hole and another business filling it in.

Wow, government doing what they are supposed to do, unbelievable.

It is no wonder why Trump is like a breath of fresh air when it comes to business and the economic benefits associated with a healthy business climate.

More blah blah blah. Give me some data, who are you Pence with this kind of bullshit speech?

3) Business creation is one thing. How about how many of these businesses end up surviving into viable concerns that provide jobs (A qualitative measure)?

What 'how about', you tell me the numbers, why are you asking me the questions given you are making all the declarative statements.

You are having an off day. Get up and stretch. Maybe walk or jog around the block. Your statement that my "rhetoric is plain nonsense and is countered by actual data" is not supported by your chart. Try again.

All you are doing is giving me a speech, where are your numbers? I don't give a shit about empty rhetoric, show me the numbers, show me the change Trump has bought. Wow, you saw construction crews after visiting the city after a long time, must be 'Trump effect' and that too in a Democratic city run by a Dem Governor, has to be Trump who inherited a robust economy from Obama.

 

[exGOPer]

There are several issues with this chart:
1) It ends in 2013. We were talking about Trump's performance of his economic policies. Trump started work as President in 2017.

2) Your chart shows as of 2013, Obama's first four years, business creation had not yet reached the levels reached prior to the Great Recession. By the way, the large number of Government jobs created such as in the consumer protection agency had little or even negative economic value as it unnessessarily increased business costs and risks. Don't get me wrong, I do want unethical businesses to pay for their crimes. However, when an Government entity amounts to a shakedown racket, business owners become scared to start or expand a business.

In addition, it appears that partisanship has infiltrated even non-governmental regulatory agencies such as the Appraisal Institute. Appraiser training now includes information that is supportive of Leftist ideology regarding property rights and Government regulations.

Furthermore, under the Obama Administration, the were regulations that created new industries that provided mandatory products and services required because of these new regulations. These are inspection, energy usage monitoring, and emissions control related industries. This has the effect of also unnessessarily increasing the cost and risk of doing business. Economically, this amounts to business digging a hole and another business filling it in.

It is no wonder why Trump is like a breath of fresh air when it comes to business and the economic benefits associated with a healthy business climate.

3) Business creation is one thing. How about how many of these businesses end up surviving into viable concerns that provide jobs (A qualitative measure)?

You are having an off day. Get up and stretch. Maybe walk or jog around the block. Your statement that my "rhetoric is plain nonsense and is countered by actual data" is not supported by your chart. Try again.

When I say numbers, I mean something like this


4th quarter GDP 2017: 2.9%
1st quarter GDP 2018: 2.3% (weakest pace in nearly five years).

That's going the wrong way

Gas prices when Obama left office avg: $1.834 per gallon
Gas prices now with Trump in office avg: $2.999 per gallon

Dow Jan 1st: ,24,836
Dow May 22nd: 24,834

Deficit 2018: $666 billion
Debt: $21 trillion (ten year projection $32 trillion)

Labor participation: Jan 62.7%
Labor participation: May 62.1%

Wage growth Jan 2018: 4.68%
Wage growth March 2018: 4.45%

This I can work with but instead you give me a speech about MUH BUSINESS CONFIDENCE, I SEE CONSTRUCTION CREWS, LOW TAXATION TEXAS MIRACLE, SHAKEDOWNS when literally the fraudsters are running the investigation - like with Equifax.

Please don't waste my time with empty rhetoric, we already got Trump who shoots hot air all day.

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

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"exGOPer, post: 4660617, member: 327981"]I was countering your point about 'taxes and regulation', Trump's performance has absolutely nothing to do with STATE taxes and regulations which is the point you made. It was the first chart I found and it showed trends for more than a decade which is enough to prove my point
I am using using California as an example of how government policy can affect business decisions.

You may want to look at the actual numbers and then show me if there is a spike or continuation from the Obama era - in fact job growth has slowed down.
As the labor market gets closer and closer to full capacity, further gains get harder to come by. As I mentioned earlier, we may start to have demand based wage pressure soon.

Secondly, what shakedown racket? Are you telling me that in the US with a government bought out by business, there is a shakedown of businesses? Give me one example.
The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau(CFPB) has been complained about by major title companies and loan originators concerning their over reaching regulations and fines. In addition, there have been complaints of favoritism. Although I don't recall the specific names of companies allegedly given favoritism, I do recall the people in these aforementioned industries. I will talk to these people again to get the specific information you've requested along with a possible referral to an appropiate prosecution entity, as appropriate. Understand I work at least ten hours per day, so that leaves little extra time to do research so allow me some time to find relevant statistics for you. I know you have them, but since many of them don't support your narrative, you have no need for them.


Wow, government doing what they are supposed to do, unbelievable.
The government does not have to regulate every possible human activity in every possible way because something might go wrong. If government did this, pot smoking would be gone because of hormonal changes, lower productivity, and increased risks of accidents. Homosexually would be done for because of increased risks of disease transmission and lower birth rates. Speech deemed harmful to our culture, country, or our economic system would be illegal as well.

Just like with the statistics you use, you pick and choose only the ones or the parts of statistics that appears to make your case. I determine the underlying principles within a system and from there attempt to find out whether a system is efficient or not.

More blah blah blah. Give me some data, who are you Pence with this kind of bullshit speech?
Don't know much about Pence, so I don't how much of an insult you threw my way. He does need to get cracking on Indiana's infrastructure though.


What 'how about', you tell me the numbers, why are you asking me the questions given you are making all the declarative statements.
My statements were based by personal observations, conversations with authorative people, and have been based on sound principle.


All you are doing is giving me a speech, where are your numbers? I don't give a shit about empty rhetoric, show me the numbers, show me the change Trump has bought.
The information I am presenting is relevant and has solid foundations. Most you what you promote is garbage: Stormy Daniels, Russia Investigation, Trump lies all the time. The few times you do prove your point, such as Trump University, I acknowledge it, appreciate you, and am better for it.


Wow, you saw construction crews after visiting the city after a long time, must be 'Trump effect' and that too in a Democratic city run by a Dem Governor, has to be Trump who inherited a robust economy from Obama.
Anecdotal evidence is still evidence. I would like to see the Democratic Kingdom of Baltimore again. If the Trump effect can reverse a century of pain there, I would be impressed even further.


"exGOPer, post: 4660620, member: 327981"]When I say numbers, I mean something like this


4th quarter GDP 2017: 2.9%
1st quarter GDP 2018: 2.3% (weakest pace in nearly five years).
You are comparing the typically strongest quarter of the year with the typically weakest quarter of the year and are drawing the conclusion the economy is weakening? Wow, you might want to look at yourself hard in the mirror to understand why you have to misrepresent things.

That's going the wrong way

Gas prices when Obama left office avg: $1.834 per gallon
Gas prices now with Trump in office avg: $2.999 per gallon
You don't yet know energy prices are correlated with a strong economy?

Dow Jan 1st: ,24,836
Dow May 22nd: 24,834
You are selectively using statistics. We were talking about Trump's Presidentai term, right. In addition, a lot of the stock market's prior rally was anticipatory to Trump's economic policies.

Deficit 2018: $666 billion
Debt: $21 trillion (ten year projection $32 trillion)
The real metric is government debt as a percentage of GDP. Yes, I'm not happy about it and it does need to come down.

Labor participation: Jan 62.7%
Labor participation: May 62.1%
Isn't technological displacement a huge factor in this statistic? Even then, these displaced workers are needed in other industries and this number should improve other time.

Wage growth Jan 2018: 4.68%
Wage growth March 2018: 4.45%
These are numbers Trump could brag about and are likely to improve further.

This I can work with but instead you give me a speech about MUH BUSINESS CONFIDENCE, I SEE CONSTRUCTION CREWS, LOW TAXATION TEXAS MIRACLE, SHAKEDOWNS when literally the fraudsters are running the investigation - like with Equifax.
Isn't Mueller a Bush appointee and didn't another Bush run against Trump in the primaries where there was some bad blood between them? In addition, aren't the Bush family members a bunch of corrupt politicians?

Please don't waste my time with empty rhetoric, we already got Trump who shoots hot air all day.
My statements have sound foundations while many of your statements have faulty or incomplete statistics to back them up. My focus is on issues that cover big ideas such as the economy, your focus is on personal issues.

My content, based on sound reasoning and even without support statistics far exceeds your "content" even with the support of bad statics and faulty reasoning.

Always be honest. These means not using statistics in a misleading way or using misleading statistics. Strongly consider the opinion of people who have excelled in an competitive environment over those who have not.

Ready to take that walk yet?