Why is Obama being criticized on Iran??

[Mercor]

Quote from 377OHMS:


I have friends who flew up in the no-fly zone. Saddam was firing SAMs at our aircraft routinely up there. He was a bad actor even without the WMD (and what an incredible fiasco that was, another Bush epic failure).

Yes, many forget that Clinton spent 8 years bogged down with 500,000 troops in Saudi Arabia. Stuck with no plan. Being attacked by Saddam regularly, unable to fire back much.

It was during this time that Osama built his terror network to attack New York.

What choice was there? Do you pull 500,000 troops and give up the middle east. It was clear after 9/11 they needed to move out of Saudi Arabia. Bush was smart to set up base in Qatar

 

[psychonin]

Maybe removing Saddam wasn't such a good idea after all... He hated the Persians more than anyone and would probably have provided a counterweight to Iranian ambition.

 

[John_Wensink]

Because Barry engaging iran was supposed to stop this whole mess, his talking to leaders was his diplomacy tactic.

he gave up missle defense to russia for nothing.


Obama is the Fredo of presidents. Weak and stupid.

 

[nutmeg]

Although the book is a couple years old, some noteworthy observations regarding Iran.
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Miles Moreland (emerging markets investor) of Blakeney Management: specialty, Africa and Middle East, quote from the book Hedgehogging.

A few surprising comments about Iran. He is bullish on Iran. The only ME country that has western style elections. All citizens male and female have equal voting rights. It has an elected parliament. The population is young and dynamic and very interested in western culture. They clearly are chafing under the harsh dictums of the mullahs. There is a rudimentary stock exchange. Big country, aggressive people, evoving towards democratic capitalism.

It is possible that a prosperous, progressive, democratic Shite bloc of 100 million people that includes Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan could become a counterbalance to the smaller Sunni gulf states.

 

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Quote from psychonin:

Maybe removing Saddam wasn't such a good idea after all...

It wasn't.It tied up US military forces,allowed Iran to build nukes because the US was focused on Iraq and Iran no longer has Saddam to worry about as a threat.Saddam also kept terrorist out of Iraq

Way to go Dubya

 

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Quote from John_Wensink:

Because Barry engaging iran was supposed to stop this whole mess, his talking to leaders was his diplomacy tactic.

he gave up missle defense to russia for nothing.


Obama is the Fredo of presidents. Weak and stupid.

The guy who allowed Iran and Korea to build nukes was weak and stupid

 

[John_Wensink]

N. Korea acquired nuclear weapons during the clinton administation and the military wasn't bogged down, how do you explain that?

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It wasn't.It tied up US military forces,allowed Iran to build nukes because the US was focused on Iraq and Iran no longer has Saddam to worry about as a threat.Saddam also kept terrorist out of Iraq

Way to go Dubya

 

[John_Wensink]

I agree, N Korea had nukes during clinton and iran will have acquired them during obama.

Are you retarded?

You must have benefited from some type of affirmative action.

Does ET have an affirmative action membership plan?

Quote from ..........:

The guy who allowed Iran and Korea to build nukes was weak and stupid

 

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Quote from John_Wensink:

N. Korea acquired nuclear weapons during the clinton administation and the military wasn't bogged down, how do you explain that?

I'm trying to figure out how you can be such a fucking idiot .N Korea gained tactical nuclear weapons capability under the Bush years.They weren't able to detonate nukes from 93-01,they were able to do so in 06 and 09

 

[377OHMS]

Quote from psychonin:

Maybe removing Saddam wasn't such a good idea after all... He hated the Persians more than anyone and would probably have provided a counterweight to Iranian ambition.

Financed by the US, Iraq inflicted roughly a million casualties on Iran during the Iran/Iraq war. But Saddam developed a nasty habit of gassing his ethnic citizens in the north and invading his somewhat passive neighbors to the south and east. The US was willing to put up with being shot at a little until 9/11. When Saddam persisted with the SAMs it was time for him to go.

I didn't appreciate that Afghanistan was neglected or that Iran was allowed to become "persians gone wild". It all pretty much sucked but Saddam was hanged and alot of bad guys killed there.

I still think Iran needs a trip to the woodshed but am pretty sure that is not going to happen. What is far more likely is another Hezbollah/Israel war in southern Lebanon but this time Israel will also attack the Lebanese military and destroy Beriut all over again. They announced it plainly this week. They are going to hold Lebanon responsible for the presence of Hezbollah. Look it up, I don't make this stuff up.