Why I might vote for Barack

Quote from lindq:

Yes, Bush is the worst. And I've seen a LOT of Presidents.

Bush squandered a fabulous opportunity that is seldom handed a President.

911 gave him an opportunity to enhance the U.S. in every possible way, internationally and domestically.

Instead, he made every possible wrong decision that could have been made at every fork in the road.

I don't need to detail the consequences.

I only regret that he can't be tarred and feathered and run out of D.C. on a mule next January.

Bush is the WORST president ever or at least in the top three! And I actually voted for him the first time! What a total disappointment. Let's have some intellectual honesty and accept that albeit this guy may be fun to drink with he never was qualifed to lead this Nation other than as a figurehead (no I didn't say Fountainhead) !!

See...... whatever the "Do as I SAY, Not as i DO" party and it's supporters on these message boards say about Obama; one thing is certain. He has a high intelligence quotient and passion. Only the most decrepit, stodgy or narrow-minded snobs cannot at least concede that he has inspired millions who are looking to hear a different message. This country for too long now (since the 80's) has been ONLY about money and greed. It's time we reflect on what really matters when passing through this life.

Too much obscene wealth is misdirected to those who do not "trickle it down". One glaring example are the gluttons f/k/a "professional dumb-and-dumber" athletes who for some inexplicable reason are adored and idolized as "role" models. HUH? I can understand hero-worship back in the 30s - 70s. But today they are essentially hypocritical self-centered capitalistic pigs in pin-stripes. For the love of the game!!? What a sick distortion of that once-hallowed concept.

Well the same hold true for politicians. I would rather have a "less experienced" outsider who is an inspirational and passionate leader and willing to try new concepts and ideals and maybe distribute the "dream" to a broader segment of America (not just poor or lower demographics but the middle class who is being HAMMERED) OR at least try to create a more even playing field and see how it pans out, than a so-called "experienced" veteran politico who doesn't even remember when he or she first sold out!
 
Quote from OldTrader:

According to you link, the prime rate went to 20% in April, 1980. It then dipped, and later went to 21.50 in December, 1980.

In case you've forgotten, Reagan didn't take office until January, 1981.

OldTrader

You're right, I stand corrected.

It did touch 20% for one month under Carter, and then stayed in the twenties under Reagan.

I was thinking of when it hit double digits, which was under Ford.
 
Quote from Cutten:

Carter didn't shred the constitution, didn't preside over the worst attack on US soil since Pearl Harbour, didn't alienate the entire world, didn't lock up and torture hundreds of innocent people, didn't have the blood of tens of thousands of innocents on his hands, didn't preside over 2 epic financial crises, didn't grotesquely corrupt the executive branch by patronage and secrecy, didn't sell out his principles by imposing steel tarrifs, didn't flip from from being against nation-building to supporting it within a year or two, didn't prop up grotesque dictatorships, and actually did some good for the world once he left office.

History will judge Bush as the worst president since Hoover.

Quite a substantial list. One notable addition would be the handling or mishandling? of Katrina's aftermath. On a lighter note, attached please find an anatomy of Bush's mental map described in geographical terms.

Prologue:

The first time I met [George W.] Bush, I knew he was differentOne who did not know. The other was that he had the confident to ask questions that he didn't know very much."

A comment on Bush II by his friend Richard Perle

http://www.counterpunch.org/kay11022004.html
 
Quote from hughb:

I am probably going to vote Obama too. (That was the original subject of this thread before it morphed into a discussion of Carter's presidency).

I had intended to vote for McCain based on his statements of extending the Bush tax cuts. All traders here on ET are concerned about their cap gains tax, right? :D

But then when California's prop 8 was making headlines McCain said that he supported prop 8. Prop 8 is an amendment to the California constitution that would define marriage as a union between one man and one woman, effectively banning same sex marriage. While I can certainly understand someone disagreeing with same sex marriage, actively trying to ban it is another matter. Nobody has a reason to deny marriage to same sex couples. So McCain has lost my vote. And anybody stupid enough to get married should be allowed to.

Now, Obama's statements on taxation are changing. He has most recently said that no one who makes under $250K a year will get a tax increase. I make under $250K per year, so I should be safe from any tax increases. But this also means he must scale the capital gains tax for over and under $250K as well, and I haven't heard any specifics on that.

I do not want to sit out an election out by not voting. I consider it my duty to vote. So as of right now, my vote will be for Obama. However, if I feel like my taxpaying pocket will be picked in an Obama presidency, then I will have no choice but to sit this election out. No, I'm not going to write in some third party crank. And I'm not writing in Ron Paul either. I'd rather sit out an election than make my vote a joke.

One other thing about Obama, and I'm sure many are tired of hearing it, but I like the guy. He seems like someone I could sit down to lunch with and have a great time. I couldn't do that with McCain.

but a racist like you voting for obama??? what an irony?
 
Quote from Cutten:

Obama and Palin are *inexperienced*. That is entirely different to unqualified.

Apart from that, they have nothing in common. Obama is intelligent and has an excellent educational and academic record. He writes his own (generally good) speeches, has an excellent grasp of policy, is a good listener and picks good quality advisors. He is clearly a competent, intelligent man who would be more than capable of acting on the world stage and being taken seriously. If he wasn't in politics he would be a credible CEO or social leader. Palin is, quite frankly, thick. Her academic record is atrocious. The idea of her in any substantive role in society, outside her home state, is laughable. She might be a nice person, and I prefer her policy instincts to Obama, but quite frankly she is way out of her depth even as VP *candidate*. The thought of an ignoramus amateur like her as president is quite frankly terrifying to any sane person.

Palin is all style, no substance. She was picked as an image/soundbite candidate. If McCain was 10 years younger, it would have been a genius move. At his current age and mental/physical condition, it is enough to make even die-hard right-wingers cross their fingers for the Omabomba.

Obama may be intelligent, but he is not wise. Anyone who can sit for 20 years under the pastoral care of Jim Wright and his well-known constant rantings, and not see the problem until it affects his presidential aspirations is not ready to lead the country.

Hilary was right. All we have, is a speech. But I don't want here in the office either.

The problem is, he will NOT be the VP. If Biden were the choice, I would have a lot less problem.
 
Quote from TraderZones:

Obama may be intelligent, but he is not wise. Anyone who can sit for 20 years under the pastoral care of Jim Wright and his well-known constant rantings, and not see the problem until it affects his presidential aspirations is not ready to lead the country.

Hilary was right. All we have, is a speech. But I don't want here in the office either.

The problem is, he will NOT be the VP. If Biden were the choice, I would have a lot less problem.

I agree with you about your Wright comments. However I note you do NOT give him ANY credit for breaking off that relationship when he realized that Wright had not evolved with the times....

So tell me when have you seen any iright-winger do anything similar in recent years??!
 
Quote from iceman1:

I agree with you about your Wright comments. However I note you do NOT give him ANY credit for breaking off that relationship when he realized that Wright had not evolved with the times....

So tell me when have you seen any iright-winger do anything similar in recent years??!

He dropped Wright like a bad habit when it became difficult to explain why he was a longtime member of a black separatist church run a by a raving lunatic. He was perfectly happy to be identified with Wright as long as it served his needs.

Honestly, you can't be this naive. I don't care whom you vote for, but at least don't trust any politician, democrat or republican. They are all liars, charlatans and users.
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

He was perfectly happy to be identified with Wright as long as it served his needs.

Honestly, you can't be this naive. I don't care whom you vote for, but at least don't trust any politician, democrat or republican. They are all liars, charlatans and users.


Probably so... but every so often we find a diamond in the rough who does at half-way decent job. Look back at history.
 
Obama will be a much better president than McCain.

Few key traits:

1/ Temperament
2/ Keener mind
3/ Non-abrasive

Yes, he's black and that one single factor probably turns off many moderate whites.

however, based on his recent reaction to the McCain circus ( stopping campaign heading to DC, no debates etc etc ), I can tell he is a thinking man.

Put Mccain in there and he'll begin to try and "make his mark" right away.

McCain is old, he doesn't have time to manufacture a legacy.

Also, at the age of 74, McCain seems to act like a small boy who missed his Ritalin dosage.

Obama seems to pause and thinks things through before making a rash decision. It is much better to have him in there and NOT do anything.

McCain is basically stupid. It's very obvious. It is unwise to have a second stupid president right after Bush.
 
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