Why I might vote for Barack

[hofficita]

Quote from Cutten:

Carter didn't shred the constitution, didn't preside over the worst attack on US soil since Pearl Harbour, didn't alienate the entire world, didn't lock up and torture hundreds of innocent people, didn't have the blood of tens of thousands of innocents on his hands, didn't preside over 2 epic financial crises, didn't grotesquely corrupt the executive branch by patronage and secrecy, didn't sell out his principles by imposing steel tarrifs, didn't flip from from being against nation-building to supporting it within a year or two, didn't prop up grotesque dictatorships, and actually did some good for the world once he left office.

History will judge Bush as the worst president since Hoover.

Boy Cutten,

Most of your posts are so intelligent they are a pleasure to read, but this one is a complete departure from reason and balance. You sound like you write for Daily Kos.

So just how did Bush shred the Constitution?

How was he responsible for 9/11?

What innocents did he torture?

Who gives a f---- if the rest of the world feel alienated?

How was he responsible for the tech and housing bubbles?

Now I agree that steel tariffs and nation building are stupid ideas, but how many "grotesque dictatorships" did Bush's policies put an end to?

And who care what Carter did after office?

 

[hofficita]

Quote from Cutten:

Obama and Palin are *inexperienced*. That is entirely different to unqualified.

Apart from that, they have nothing in common. Obama is intelligent and has an excellent educational and academic record. He writes his own (generally good) speeches, has an excellent grasp of policy, is a good listener and picks good quality advisors. He is clearly a competent, intelligent man who would be more than capable of acting on the world stage and being taken seriously. If he wasn't in politics he would be a credible CEO or social leader. Palin is, quite frankly, thick. Her academic record is atrocious. The idea of her in any substantive role in society, outside her home state, is laughable. She might be a nice person, and I prefer her policy instincts to Obama, but quite frankly she is way out of her depth even as VP *candidate*. The thought of an ignoramus amateur like her as president is quite frankly terrifying to any sane person.

Palin is all style, no substance. She was picked as an image/soundbite candidate. If McCain was 10 years younger, it would have been a genius move. At his current age and mental/physical condition, it is enough to make even die-hard right-wingers cross their fingers for the Omabomba.

You assume that "intelligence" (whatever that means to you) is more important than principles.

Putin is no doubt very intelligent by whatever measure you want; would you want him to be the protector of your personal and economic freedom?

 

[hofficita]

Quote from Cutten:

IMO Obama's worst leftist excesses will be jettisoned by himself willingly, and much of the rest will be neutered by Congress.

Obama is the most left in an already leftist Congress. Why would you assume his socialist policies would be tempered by the Congress?

The US fairs best with animosity between the executive and the legislature. Nothing gets done.

 

[Debaser82]

Quote from hofficita:


Who gives a f---- if the rest of the world feel alienated?

Fool. The US is hanging by a treshold thanks to the mercy of foreign lenders willing to prop up the dollar and the US economy. Show some respect cause god knows they should have cut life support a long time ago, the nationwide body mass index would have been a lot better I can tell you that. lol

 

[hofficita]

Quote from Debaser82:

Fool. The US is hanging by a treshold thanks to the mercy of foreign lenders willing to prop up the dollar and the US economy. Show some respect cause god knows they should have cut life support a long time ago, the nationwide body mass index would have been a lot better I can tell you that. lol

People in other countries buy US assets because they want US assets. It is not "mercy" nor is it charity.

If they want to sell those assets, that is their decision as well.

 

[Hombre]

Quote from John_Wensink:

Well,

After a lot of thought I may just end up voting for Barry. I have voted for Democrats before but primarily Republicans for fiscal issues alone.

My reasons are as follows:
Bush is the worst president in history and has been enabled by the republican congress.

The rest of the world hates us and will be more apt to re establish ties if Barry is elected. We have better relationships to fight the islamic terror networks and get more cooperation.

Sarah Palin is woefully unqualified.

The only way the republican party can redeem itself is by being voted out.

That being said, I figure Barry isn't qualified either for President and will probably screw the country up very badly. However, that will get a leaner meaner republican party back in.

I'm depressed.

In reality the people who will vote for Barak Hussein Obama are broke ass muslim sympathisers who are hoping to get $500 welfare enhancement . There is no any other reason.
Oh wait if you are a gay and want to get married vote for Hussein also.
LOL
People with assets will get screwed by Hussein Obama for sure and it is funny how many "big traders" on ET wants to give away their" capital gains" to welfare recipients.

 

[indahook]

Hey! I resent that remark...i`m 36 and bring in lunch to my desk 4 days a week. The funny thing is I make more than the other 5 dopes on my desk...they spend 20 a day easy.

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:



America has been so prosperous since Reagan that an entire generation has seen little or no adversity. Now they're freaking out. It's like watching the Patriots playing without Tom Brady. When I started working at the CBOT in the late 70's older guys looked upon eating lunch out as a luxury. This was a generation who "brown bagged" it. I can't remember the last time I've seen someone rightfully deduce that they'd save a couple of grand a year by sticking a cold cut on their own bread rather than hitting the Burrito Buggy or Mickey D's. Let alone these friggin' yuppie places with their 5 dollar crousiants.

I am voting for myself. Cause i`m the only one who jerks me off and gets away with it...and the wife hates politics.

 

[OldTrader]

Quote from bigdavediode:

This site allows direct comparison across timeframes for inflation and unemployment. Reagan changed the calculation of inflation and so "solved" it.

Inflation is running at about 13% right now, using 1980 methods of calculation that were used under Carter:

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data

Unemployment is between 11 and 15% adjusted for the discourage worker definitions which were removed previously.

http://www.shadowstats.com/

So you might not want to bring up the misery index anymore.

First, you misunderstand. I brought up the misery index as a measurement of how bad things were during a particular period. I'm OK with whatever it says for any particular period.

However, what you have done is to apply a series of numbers calculated by a private website evidently to make a point. That's OK too. I'm too busy to try to analyze this guys data, and compare it with todays data. I can tell you that alot has changed since the Carter era. For instance, no one had a computer. LOL.

One thing for sure though....if you were in the workforce during that time, as I was, things were quite a bit worse than today in terms of inflation and unemployment. And by the way, interest rates ultimately went to 20+%...compared to today's very low rates. So evidently the market saw something in the numbers that the so-called "shawow index" did not replicate.

OldTrader

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from OldTrader:

First, you misunderstand. I brought up the misery index as a measurement of how bad things were during a particular period. I'm OK with whatever it says for any particular period.

Sounds fair. It says that Bush is far worse than Carter.

However, what you have done is to apply a series of numbers calculated by a private website evidently to make a point. That's OK too. I'm too busy to try to analyze this guys data, and compare it with todays data. I can tell you that alot has changed since the Carter era. For instance, no one had a computer. LOL.

Fair enough, but in order to compare numbers as you did the same methodology must be used. Otherwise you're comparing apples to oranges.

As for the private citizen thing, you can dig in there, get his methodology (the same one that the government used to use) and compare. It's a very good site.

One thing for sure though....if you were in the workforce during that time, as I was, things were quite a bit worse than today in terms of inflation and unemployment. And by the way, interest rates ultimately went to 20+%...compared to today's very low rates. So evidently the market saw something in the numbers that the so-called "shawow index" did not replicate.

OldTrader

Actually Interest rates went above 20% under Reagan, not Carter:

http://www.wsjprimerate.us/wall_street_journal_prime_rate_history.htm

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

Quote from bigdavediode:




Actually Interest rates went above 20% under Reagan, not Carter:

http://www.wsjprimerate.us/wall_street_journal_prime_rate_history.htm

Reagan became president 1/20/81. Using your data rates (the prime rate) touched 20% under both Reagan and Carter. I'm too involved to scroll through my historical charts right now but I'm pretty sure Treasury rates topped in 3/01.

Using rates as an inflation barometer or metric then GWB is the best economic President ever.