Why I might vote for Barack

Quote from Debaser82:


The world loves Obama.

The love him because he has no resposibilty. He can talk sweet and socialistic. Talk about taxing the rich, no Iraq, "talking" to Iran. Acting nicer as a country.

Wait until he is President. he will learn that the USA needs to protect shipping lanes, enforce international treaties, check Russia, continue to consume huge natural resources. avoid all judical power outside the US., subsidize US farmers.

Then Europe will not love Obama.
 
Quote from OldTrader:

Evidently you don't remember that inflation was above 18%, and interest rates above 20% under Jimmy Carter. Under Carter we has something called the "misery index", which was the total of the unemployment rate and the inflation rate. It hit almost 22% under Carter, a record in the modern Presidency. LOL.

Maybe there's just a little bit of a doubt eh?

OldTrader

If you use the same calculations to calculate inflation and unemployment today that were used under Carter, the misery index is currently about 20.
 
Quote from TraderZones:

So is Obama. Hilary was right.

I vote Republican for ONE reason. The President nominates Supreme and other major Court appointees. The LAST thing I want is Dems putting more social engineers on the bench!!!

Obama and Palin are *inexperienced*. That is entirely different to unqualified.

Apart from that, they have nothing in common. Obama is intelligent and has an excellent educational and academic record. He writes his own (generally good) speeches, has an excellent grasp of policy, is a good listener and picks good quality advisors. He is clearly a competent, intelligent man who would be more than capable of acting on the world stage and being taken seriously. If he wasn't in politics he would be a credible CEO or social leader. Palin is, quite frankly, thick. Her academic record is atrocious. The idea of her in any substantive role in society, outside her home state, is laughable. She might be a nice person, and I prefer her policy instincts to Obama, but quite frankly she is way out of her depth even as VP *candidate*. The thought of an ignoramus amateur like her as president is quite frankly terrifying to any sane person.

Palin is all style, no substance. She was picked as an image/soundbite candidate. If McCain was 10 years younger, it would have been a genius move. At his current age and mental/physical condition, it is enough to make even die-hard right-wingers cross their fingers for the Omabomba.
 
Quote from Mercor:

The love him because he has no resposibilty. He can talk sweet and socialistic. Talk about taxing the rich, no Iraq, "talking" to Iran. Acting nicer as a country.

Wait until he is President. he will learn that the USA needs to protect shipping lanes, enforce international treaties, check Russia, continue to consume huge natural resources. avoid all judical power outside the US., subsidize US farmers.

Then Europe will not love Obama.

Whereas they would love McCain nuking Iran, invading N Korea, then passing out during world tours due to various health & mental problems, leaving as president someone who can't even locate Poland on a map? Yeah right.
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

I think they were bad in different ways. Carter seemed overwhelmed by the job and became demoralized. He projected weakness. For a guy who commanded a nuke boat, he had very little command presence.

Bush by contrast tends to overreach. His one huge mistake was going into Iraq. He didn't seem to understand that democrats in congress would be implacable foes totally unlike the good ole boy dems he could do bidness with in texas. So he ended up going along with ridiculous spending but got nothing in return.

I think if Bush could go back and undo the Iraq disaster, he would have been a middling president. With Carter, it was not one thing, it was everything.

Looking forward, I think it is somewhat fair to compare McCain with Bush and Obama with Carter. McCain is tough but prone to bad ideas. Obama has not been tested and could fold like a cheap lawn chair in a crisis. He runs whining to the media now when he is criticized. Like Carter, his priorities elevate secondary concerns above critical ones. Carter pushed human rights over national security. Obama pushes marxist economics over a sound economy and global popularity over our own vital interests.

I generally agree. Carter had poor leadership ability, but was intelligent and a nice guy, with reasonable policy abilities. He just wasn't cut out to be president. He could have been a great politician one or two ranks below that.

Bush had more regular guy charisma and ability to get popularity. But he just lacked the intellectual firepower, knowledge, wisdom and experience to back it up. He's like the popular trader at the office who blows up when a Black Swan hits, taking all his friends with him.

Obama has both charisma and intellectual ability. He is untested, yes, but then so is everyone before they become president, CEO, veteran trader etc. The one thing that sucks is his leftism. But if you look at what he is saying about policy, he is actually quite pragmatic, like Clinton. He realises that doing a Kucinich will not only get him voted out in 4 years, but will also fuck up the country.

The US presidency is not an uber-powerful office, like say president of France, or prime minister in the UK. It's only really foreign/miitary policy where the president is ultra-powerful. Domestically, he is less powerful than Congress, and arguably not much more powerful than the judiciary. The US president does not get to make all policy, and take the country wherever he wants. IMO Obama's worst leftist excesses will be jettisoned by himself willingly, and much of the rest will be neutered by Congress. Whereas his personal skills, which even right-wingers cannot doubt, will be extremely useful if he wins. McCain would have no hope in hell of brokering some peace in the Middle East, or getting Pakistan or N Korea onside. He's more likely to start WWIII. Obama has the qualities to do that, and is more dynamic and less corrupt than Bill Clinton. He has more charisma than anyone since Reagan - and look what the Gipper did with the commies...sweet-talked them into surrender. If Obama could do something half as good in the Middle East, in China, Russia...he will be worth a vote.

Now maybe all this is BS, and he flops badly. But I suspect he'll be like Clinton, minus the cigar & blowjob. I.e. partisan Reps will criticize him til kingdom come, but the majority of the US will think he does a fairly decent job.
 
Quote from OldTrader:

Exactly! I'd nominate Jimmy Carter. Of course, alot of these guys weren't born at that time. LOL.

OldTrader

Carter didn't shred the constitution, didn't preside over the worst attack on US soil since Pearl Harbour, didn't alienate the entire world, didn't lock up and torture hundreds of innocent people, didn't have the blood of tens of thousands of innocents on his hands, didn't preside over 2 epic financial crises, didn't grotesquely corrupt the executive branch by patronage and secrecy, didn't sell out his principles by imposing steel tarrifs, didn't flip from from being against nation-building to supporting it within a year or two, didn't prop up grotesque dictatorships, and actually did some good for the world once he left office.

History will judge Bush as the worst president since Hoover.
 
Quote from OldTrader:

Evidently you don't remember that inflation was above 18%, and interest rates above 20% under Jimmy Carter. Under Carter we has something called the "misery index", which was the total of the unemployment rate and the inflation rate. It hit almost 22% under Carter, a record in the modern Presidency. LOL.

Maybe there's just a little bit of a doubt eh?

OldTrader

Since US monetary policy is the preserve of the Fed, not the Presidency, what makes you hold Carter responsible for that?
 
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The US presidency is not an uber-powerful office, like say president of France, or prime minister in the UK. It's only really foreign/miitary policy where the president is ultra-powerful. Domestically, he is less powerful than Congress, and arguably not much more powerful than the judiciary. The US president does not get to make all policy, and take the country wherever he wants. IMO Obama's worst leftist excesses will be jettisoned by himself willingly, and much of the rest will be neutered by Congress. Whereas his personal skills, which even right-wingers cannot doubt, will be extremely useful if he wins. McCain would have no hope in hell of brokering some peace in the Middle East, or getting Pakistan or N Korea onside. He's more likely to start WWIII. Obama has the qualities to do that, and is more dynamic and less corrupt than Bill Clinton. He has more charisma than anyone since Reagan - and look what the Gipper did with the commies...sweet-talked them into surrender. If Obama could do something half as good in the Middle East, in China, Russia...he will be worth a vote.


Ok, well as I agree with most of your comment here, than why is Bush being blamed for the economy and company collapses on Wall St?
Your quote says that the pres is less powerful than congress and cannot take the country where he wants.
 
Quote from John_Wensink:

Well,

After a lot of thought I may just end up voting for Barry. I have voted for Democrats before but primarily Republicans for fiscal issues alone.

My reasons are as follows:
Bush is the worst president in history and has been enabled by the republican congress.

The rest of the world hates us and will be more apt to re establish ties if Barry is elected. We have better relationships to fight the islamic terror networks and get more cooperation.

Sarah Palin is woefully unqualified.

The only way the republican party can redeem itself is by being voted out.

That being said, I figure Barry isn't qualified either for President and will probably screw the country up very badly. However, that will get a leaner meaner republican party back in.

I'm depressed.

Come on guy, don't give up. don't be depressed, have a cocktail and smile...:D
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Bush isn't even the worst President in my life time let alone in history. If you're under 30 I'll give you a pass on ignorance but if you're a full fledged adult I suggest you reflect.....

Helloooooooo Pabst, and Helloooooooooooo Jimmy Carter!
Right?
 
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