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Why I love Obama
- Thread starter misterno
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Yes, my fat fingers missed that one. It was supposed to be "you're". But thanks for pointing it out - I think.
Quote from tmarket:
The internet. What you are writing and transmitting right now. It wasn't something invented by some guy in a garage, it was invented by big government, big military for collaborative research which ultimately benefited everybody.
Arpanet benefitted a very small number of researchers at the expense of an expanded defense budget. It wasn't until it was released to private industry that we the people got to have any fun on the internet.
I think NASA is a worthwile program, but not because in the course of space exploration we got invisible braces and ear thermometers.
http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/en/kids/spinoffs2.shtml
Also, I am talking about ongoing programs and services from departments of the fed gov't.
Quote from SomeYoungGuy:
Arpanet benefitted a very small number of researchers at the expense of an expanded defense budget. It wasn't until it was released to private industry that we the people got to have any fun on the internet.
I think NASA is a worthwile program, but not because in the course of space exploration we got invisible braces and ear thermometers.
http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/en/kids/spinoffs2.shtml
Also, I am talking about ongoing programs and services from departments of the fed gov't.
All you need to do is take a look and you can find many areas where the government has been able to make some change and get the job done.
Examples include:
Amtrak, they only lost $32 per passenger last year.
USPS lost $3.8 billion in 2009 (FedEx made $98 million)
Medicare - will be broke in less than 10 years. no way of getting around this inconvenient truth.
Fannie Mae - lost $72 billion in 2009
Freddie Mac - give or take $21 billion (whats a few hundred million among friends anyway)
Our President says that cost savings will happen when waste and abuse are removed. Who in their right mind would consider a government program to be absent of waste fraud and abuse? Seriously anyone here willing to stick up for the President and agree that the government has a better record at ANYTHING having a lower waste and abuse cost?
We already have some federal health care. I mean the real deal where all the health care is provided by the government. Its called the VA medical system. hospitals, doctors, and care for those that gave a lot more than money to protect our nation and so we reward them with medical care by the federal government.
How is the service at the VA hospitals and clinics? Well many have heard about the rats running around at Walter Reed just a few years ago. Here is some more of what we may all have to look forward to
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/04/AR2007030401394.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Reed_Army_Medical_Center_neglect_scandal
http://www.yourlawyer.com/articles/read/17133
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-1005794.html
http://www.vawatchdog.org/09/nf09/nfmar09/nf032809-2.htm
I could go on and on but let me sum it up with a person I know can get free care at the VA or pay for their care at the local clinic and pays the local clinic because of the difference in overall quality and service. In the VA system a doctor often can not just give a prescription for a medication if it is expensive. Pretty much any non generic drugs have to also be approved by some other person other than the doctor and often the VA will provide drugs that may not be the best for the person but are older and generic and "close" to the same.
I can not even imagine how many people will quit or change their jobs (lower pay) when they find out the government will provide insurance coverage. This is going to be a mess beyond anything we have seen and sadly much of the causation will be separated from the result so people will be debating how the free market works so well but in this case it is "different". I listened to a debate on the floor of the state legislature regarding health care and possible cost restraints on hospitals and a comment was made that we have more MRIs in Wisconsin than the total number in Canada. Personally since I live in Wisconsin I think that is a good thing.
Let the free market do its thing. Its not perfect but it really is the best way known to allocate resources. Something has to limit it as there is a greater demand than supply. Nothing good will come of this and everyone knows it. Unless of course you believe there is such a thing as a "free lunch"
it's the government cheese ..(or the promise of).. right?
(i don't watch youtube videos from untrusted sources... or any sources for that matter)
typical parasitical leftists ....
(i don't watch youtube videos from untrusted sources... or any sources for that matter)
typical parasitical leftists ....
According to the article below, these are some of the main points of the new healthcare bill...
1) The law would raise the Medicare payroll tax by an additional 0.9% (to 2.35%, from the current 1.45%) on earned income above $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for joint filers. It would also impose a Medicare tax of 3.8% on investment income, such as dividends and interest, for individuals with adjusted gross income above $200,000 and joint filers with AGI above $250,000. These taxes will go into effect in 2013. Distributions from pensions, IRAs, 401(k)s and other qualified retirement plans will be exempt. Self-employed people will have to pay the additional tax.
2) Six months after enactment, health insurers cannot place lifetime limits on the value of coverage or revoke existing coverage. Starting in 2014, insurers must accept all applicants, including anyone with preexisting medical conditions. Until then, individuals with preexisting conditions who have been uninsured for more than six months will be eligible to enroll in a national high-risk pool and receive subsidized premiums. Cost sharing will be capped at $5,950 for individuals and $11,900 for families
3) Nearly everyone would be required to buy coverage, or pay a penalty. Early retirees, the self-employed and others without insurance would be able to purchase coverage through state-based exchanges. Tax credits would be available to individuals and families with income between 133% and 400% of the poverty level (that's $19,378 to $58,280 for a couple). Private insurance companies could sell policies through the exchanges. Buyers would choose among four benefit categories.
As long as you don't earn over $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for joint filers, then the additional taxes will not affect you. If you do earn more than that, then it will, unfortunately, cost you more in taxes each year.
I have individual insurance, since I am self-employed, and I am hoping that premiums do not go up, since the insurance companies will now have to accept everyone, including anyone with pre-existing medical conditions and provide unlimited coverage that has no lifetime dollar cap. Hopefully, with nearly everyone having health insurance, the premiums will go down, because of the larger pool. You can still go without the health insurance, and just pay the penalty each year (as long as the penalty is less than the insurance premiums) and then just buy insurance once you get really sick.
http://finance.yahoo.com/focus-reti...ivingretirement
1) The law would raise the Medicare payroll tax by an additional 0.9% (to 2.35%, from the current 1.45%) on earned income above $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for joint filers. It would also impose a Medicare tax of 3.8% on investment income, such as dividends and interest, for individuals with adjusted gross income above $200,000 and joint filers with AGI above $250,000. These taxes will go into effect in 2013. Distributions from pensions, IRAs, 401(k)s and other qualified retirement plans will be exempt. Self-employed people will have to pay the additional tax.
2) Six months after enactment, health insurers cannot place lifetime limits on the value of coverage or revoke existing coverage. Starting in 2014, insurers must accept all applicants, including anyone with preexisting medical conditions. Until then, individuals with preexisting conditions who have been uninsured for more than six months will be eligible to enroll in a national high-risk pool and receive subsidized premiums. Cost sharing will be capped at $5,950 for individuals and $11,900 for families
3) Nearly everyone would be required to buy coverage, or pay a penalty. Early retirees, the self-employed and others without insurance would be able to purchase coverage through state-based exchanges. Tax credits would be available to individuals and families with income between 133% and 400% of the poverty level (that's $19,378 to $58,280 for a couple). Private insurance companies could sell policies through the exchanges. Buyers would choose among four benefit categories.
As long as you don't earn over $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for joint filers, then the additional taxes will not affect you. If you do earn more than that, then it will, unfortunately, cost you more in taxes each year.
I have individual insurance, since I am self-employed, and I am hoping that premiums do not go up, since the insurance companies will now have to accept everyone, including anyone with pre-existing medical conditions and provide unlimited coverage that has no lifetime dollar cap. Hopefully, with nearly everyone having health insurance, the premiums will go down, because of the larger pool. You can still go without the health insurance, and just pay the penalty each year (as long as the penalty is less than the insurance premiums) and then just buy insurance once you get really sick.
http://finance.yahoo.com/focus-reti...ivingretirement
Quote from Vinny1:
According to the article below, these are some of the main points of the new healthcare bill...
1) The law would raise the Medicare payroll tax by an additional 0.9% (to 2.35%, from the current 1.45%) on earned income above $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for joint filers. It would also impose a Medicare tax of 3.8% on investment income, such as dividends and interest, for individuals with adjusted gross income above $200,000 and joint filers with AGI above $250,000. These taxes will go into effect in 2013. Distributions from pensions, IRAs, 401(k)s and other qualified retirement plans will be exempt. Self-employed people will have to pay the additional tax.
2) Six months after enactment, health insurers cannot place lifetime limits on the value of coverage or revoke existing coverage. Starting in 2014, insurers must accept all applicants, including anyone with preexisting medical conditions. Until then, individuals with preexisting conditions who have been uninsured for more than six months will be eligible to enroll in a national high-risk pool and receive subsidized premiums. Cost sharing will be capped at $5,950 for individuals and $11,900 for families
3) Nearly everyone would be required to buy coverage, or pay a penalty. Early retirees, the self-employed and others without insurance would be able to purchase coverage through state-based exchanges. Tax credits would be available to individuals and families with income between 133% and 400% of the poverty level (that's $19,378 to $58,280 for a couple). Private insurance companies could sell policies through the exchanges. Buyers would choose among four benefit categories.
As long as you don't earn over $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for joint filers, then the additional taxes will not affect you. If you do earn more than that, then it will, unfortunately, cost you more in taxes each year.
I have individual insurance, since I am self-employed, and I am hoping that premiums do not go up, since the insurance companies will now have to accept everyone, including anyone with pre-existing medical conditions and provide unlimited coverage that has no lifetime dollar cap. Hopefully, with nearly everyone having health insurance, the premiums will go down, because of the larger pool. You can still go without the health insurance, and just pay the penalty each year (as long as the penalty is less than the insurance premiums) and then just buy insurance once you get really sick.
http://finance.yahoo.com/focus-reti...ivingretirement
and this will cost what?
Congress has an approval rating of 15% .. and yet at least 40% seem to be fine with the idea that they can manager 16% of the economy, and less then 50% of which pay federal taxes.
At the end of the day, it's all about getting something for nothing, Let's face it ... that has been the Democrats Campaign slogan since its modern day inception.
"ENTITLE ME"
(if there ever was a more despicable group of people ... )
Keep watching your fox news for " facts", you people are seriously brainwashed, go stand next to sarah palin and yell out stupid shit during town hall meetings ... If it was up to you McCain and palin would have been elected and this country would have been a reality show for the rest of the world you realy should be thankful