Why Fat is the Preferred Fuel for Human Metabolism

Quote from resinate:

So Atticus, assuming the information you link to is applicable to the general population, it doesn't effect the general advise of the whole plant food doctors. They are all advising to eat only whole plant foods with no added fats of any kind. Dr. McDougall in particular is adamant about the dangers of free vegetable oils. All whole plant foods contain varying amounts of fat of all three types. Even fruits contain a small amount of saturated fat.

What this data does is further invalidate the 40 year old advise to substitute various poly and mono fats for saturated fat as a strategy to reduce heart disease.
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Right, and it shows the lack of causation. There is obviously great benefit to green leafy plants in the diet, but it fails as "THE" diet. I don't know wtf McDougall is, but he/she is entitled to their opinion.

I imagine the population of Sri Lanka is a suitable sample.
 
I'm healthy and I eat carbs. I know many healthy people who eat plenty of carbs.

What, suddenly carbs are really bad? If you're healthy keep doing what you've been doing. If you're unhealthy then you better change up your diet.

Carbs are a great source of energy.

This is another case of people trying to make money out of a new trend.
 
Quote from NoDoji:

Here is truth backed by over 20 years of research that was not funded by for-profit food industry or medical industry interests:

http://www.heartattackproof.com/Esselstyn_Caldwell_Article.pdf

(On a side note, for those who whine about how day trading is a loser's game and technical analysis is crap, there was a fine quote in Dr. Esselstyn's paper: “Inappropriate application of the method is no excuse for its abandonment.”)

And for Maxpi, getting leaner and meaner, enjoy yourself while you can:

http://www.thechinastudy.com/PDFs/ChinaStudy_Excerpt.pdf

Dr. Neal Barnard, Dr. T. Colin Campbell, Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, Dr. Michael Greger, Dr. John McDougall, and Dr. Dean Ornish have conducted valid clinical studies or provide references to hundreds of clinical studies over decades of research (none of which are funded by food, nutritional supplement, or pharmaceutical industries or their promoters) demonstrating the ability of a whole foods plant-based diet to prevent and reverse debilitating and deadly common chronic diseases.

I challenge anyone to provide just ten valid clinical studies not funded by the above-mentioned industry groups that demonstrate a diet including meat, dairy, refined fats (oils), or even the "balanced" Heart Association diet prevents or reverses heart disease or diabetes.

Bring it on!
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I would really want to know what you eat.
Would you post actual items you consume in one day ? How many lbs,grams and caloric total for a day ?
Thanks
 
Quote from Gabfly1:

The principal fault that legitimate critics of The China Study find is in the exaggerated conclusions.

And if you are going to question Hall's legitimacy or credentials, then be sure to look here first:
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Have you read The China Study? If not, please don't form opinions based on the commentary of others (including me). Read the book and form your own opinion. The conclusions of the controlled studies documented in The China Study aren't exaggerated; Campbell simply presents the results of the studies. He didn't extrapolate the results of the animal studies to humans; instead he and his team embarked on a project to see if in a large human population with very diverse diets a correlation could be established backing up the laboratory evidence. As I said before we can't subject humans to carcinogens in a lab environment. All we can do is look for supporting evidence.

Conclusions based on epidemiological studies such as the extensive study of the Chinese populations involved here will be, by nature, subjective.

Read the book and draw what conclusions you want from it.

After a cursory glance I can respect Harriet because she appears to look for actual valid double-blind studies to back up claims, she reveals that supplements have no concrete scientific evidence backing up their claims (true), and she doesn't have much respect for Andrew Weil (he sells supplements and "waters down" scientific evidence).

However, this statement she makes is ludicrous (though understandable considering the sheer weight of propaganda foisted on us by the dairy industry): "If cow’s milk is prohibited for growing children and osteoporotic adults, they will likely need a supplemental source of calcium and vitamin D. Without careful nutrition guidance, children deprived of milk might end up malnourished. Breast milk is animal protein – should we avoid breast-feeding too?"

The myth that cow's milk prevents osteoporosis and is necessary for proper nourishment and bone growth in children is a huge lie continually promoted in our schools and popular media by the dairy industry with the blessings of the dairy-industry connected USDA and the industry's own well-funded marketing arm. It's no wonder Harriet believes the myth; she was raised on it just as I was and just as our children continue to be.

"Vitamin" D is added to cow's milk and many other foods, and is not a natural source of this hormone.

Plant-based sources of calcium are perfect for proper nutrition and bone health. My calcium levels after 5 years with no consumptions of dairy products were perfect and continue to be so.

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archive...airy-products-the-answer-to-osteoporosis.html

http://www.notmilk.com/calbones.txt

Breast milk is animal protein indeed. It's designed for the infant human. Cow's milk is designed for the infant cow.
 
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I would really want to know what you eat.
Would you post actual items you consume in one day ? How many lbs,grams and caloric total for a day ?
Thanks
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Here's what I consumed today:

4 cups of white jasmine tea

Smoothie consisting of 3/4 cup blueberries, 3/4 cup raspberries, rice milk, pure cocoa powder, nutritional yeast, and ground flax seeds. (Sorry, Tobbe, no kale today :p ) (Approx 600 calories)

Brown rice pasta with Mondo Bizarro sauce (Moosewood cookbook classic, I leave out the cheese and oil)

European whole grain rye bread with baba ganouj and a pile of salad on top

Lima beans

Fresh pineapple

Fresh peaches

In fact, the only thing I don't eat is meat, eggs, animal milk and its products, refined oils (I eat the whole food the oil comes from), white flour and refined sugar.

I eat a nutritional high density cornucopia of food and leave out the nutritionally void foods.
 
Quote from NoDoji:

The myth that cow's milk prevents osteoporosis and is necessary for proper nourishment and bone growth in children is a huge lie continually promoted in our schools and popular media by the dairy industry with the blessings of the dairy-industry connected USDA and the industry's own well-funded marketing arm. It's no wonder Harriet believes the myth; she was raised on it just as I was and just as our children continue to be.

"Vitamin" D is added to cow's milk and many other foods, and is not a natural source of this hormone.

Plant-based sources of calcium are perfect for proper nutrition and bone health. My calcium levels after 5 years with no consumptions of dairy products were perfect and continue to be so.

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archive...airy-products-the-answer-to-osteoporosis.html

http://www.notmilk.com/calbones.txt

Breast milk is animal protein indeed. It's designed for the infant human. Cow's milk is designed for the infant cow. [/B][/QUOTE
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NoDoji, no one is say the plants food is not excellent and have so much antioxidants. Vegetable and fruit are excellent for the health! But is here the flaw with Campbell science. He make (ALL) animal protein bad from AF study and casein. This is why he is questioned.



"Campbell began his studies using AF as an initiator of cancer
foci and the milk protein casein as the promoter protein of
study. His results corroborated the earlier results of other
researchers: a dose-response curve existed for AF and cancer
on a 20% casein diet, but disappeared on a 5% casein diet.11
He found that adjusting the protein intake of the same rats
could turn cancer promotion on and off as if with a switch,12
and found casein to have the same effect when other cancer
initiators, such as the hepatitis B virus, were used.13 Rather
than throwing a blanket accusation at all protein, Campbell
acknowledged that the study of other proteins would be
required before generalizing, just as the study of other cancer
initiators would be required before generalizing to them.
Wheat and soy protein were both studied in lieu of casein, and
both were found not to have the cancer-promoting effect of
casein.14
Campbell's reluctance to make unwarranted generalizations
ends here.
After briefly describing some research finding a protective
effect of carotenoids against cancer, Campbell concludes this
chapter of The China Study by broadly emphasizing: "nutrients
from animal-based foods increased tumor development while
nutrients from plant-based foods decreased tumor
development."15 (Campbell’s italics.)
Casein = All Animal Protein?
The generalization from the milk protein casein to all
"nutrients from animal-based foods" is unsupported by his
data.
Campbell dedicates an entire chapter of The China Study to
casein's capacity to generate autoimmune diseases.17 In
contrast, whey protein, another milk protein, appears to have
a protective effect against colon cancer that casein does not
have.18 Any effect of casein, then, cannot be generalized to
other milk proteins, let alone all animal proteins."

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blo.../Spotting-Bad-Science-103-The-China-Study.pdf
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My thinking is that plants require little of our enzymes produced by our pancreas for digestion and frees them up for doing repair work.. thus my decision to eat a high protein diet [and supplement with lots and lots of stuff from the Health Foods store] unless I'm trying to recuperate from something...

In reading Genesis I discover that the diet was all plants until after the Great Flood at which time meat was added... the Flood changed the Earth drastically and meat supplementation had to be instituted... now modern farming has reduced the nutrition in plants and meat drastically and we are deeper in a trap.. people that don't take the changes induced by the Flood into account assume that nature that we see is what it is supposed to be.. it isn't EVEN... so going "natural" is partially stupid.... but if it's taken to mean stepping away from processed foods then it's a step in the right direction.. Nature just doesn't provide what we need nowadays, not after the modern farming and hybridization of plants and grain fed slaughtered animal protein are taken into account... we have to try to get what nature provided after the Flood and before modern food production [range fed beef and chickens, legacy plants, etc...] and we have to further supplement to make up for the shortfalls from the altered nature we live in and that takes some expertise in supplementation.. like I said before, I do my own due diligence in all things, I'm pushing 70 and my bp is 120/70, resting rate is 55-65 and blood oxygenation is 98% [and I had a bit of a flu bug when that was last measured... ]

I've known vegans all my life, they are missing what it takes to do comprehensive thinking quite often... in fact it's medical science that vegans have difficulty [or complete failure] in the stages of psychological development of the teen years...

I'd go pure vegan to free up enzymes to get over something but I'd be jonesing for some range fed beef...
 
The China Study is an important book (and one I think everyone should read, I frequently buy it and give it away), but it is still just one book. There are several hundreds if not thousands of other studies that support the benefits of a whole plants based diet (it will minimize your risk for any disease of affluence, and can even reverse it).

There are, as far as I know, very few objective (where funding or intent is not questionable, like the Weston A. Price Foundation etc) studies that support any health benefits from the low-carb-high-fat (LCHF) diet fad, or from fat intake etc (apart from moderate intake like the need for omega-3's which you get from flaxseed or walnuts etc).
 
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