Why everything you've been told about evolution is wrong
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You mean the observed phenomenon not that they understand it.
To date there has never been 1 graviton captured or observed despite my bathroom scales measuring the relative effects on a daily basis.
Does it sound reasonable to you that at least the second most powerful force in the universe is elusive?
Oh yeah and the possibility of a creator is so unreasonable as to be called a myth
If gravity is real show me a graviton otherwise there is no objective proof it exists just like your claim for a creator.
So you're saying Gravity is not a fact ?
I am saying the theory of evolution is not a fact but rather a guess of the human mind...the mental guess is that the emergence of life is the product of...well, they don't really know how life emerged from the lifeless, so let's not address that...but life changes into different forms of life because of some mystery force that magically mutates non flying living beings into winged beings...all by the magic of the process of evolution. Really, a great fairy tale...
Evolution as pushed these days is a crude equation that has no explanation as to why living beings have a survival instinct, where living beings came from, why they came from a pool of lifeless goo, why they have the ability to adapt, and what non living random unguided force would generate so called mutations...that would eventually turn a one celled organism into a human being...by random ignorant chance and pure luck, of course.
Big shock! Living beings are dynamic, not static. Rocks don't have a survival instinct nor the ability to adapt to a changing environment. Wow! Brilliant! Living beings try to sustain life...another big revelation. Living beings try to adapt to their environment and internal changes...another big revelation...but these plain and common observations don't put themselves together into a guess that man came from apes who came from lower species all the way down to a single celled organism...
Are you denying you are a Brit?
Evolution as pushed these days is a crude equation that has no explanation as to why living beings have a survival instinct, where living beings came from, why they came from a pool of lifeless goo, why they have the ability to adapt, and what non living random unguided force would generate so called mutations...that would eventually turn a one celled organism into a human being...by random ignorant chance and pure luck, of course.
Big shock! Living beings are dynamic, not static. Rocks don't have a survival instinct nor the ability to adapt to a changing environment. Wow! Brilliant! Living beings try to sustain life...another big revelation. Living beings try to adapt to their environment and internal changes...another big revelation...but these plain and common observations don't put themselves together into a guess that man came from apes who came from lower species all the way down to a single celled organism...
Are you denying you are a Brit?
Assume everything we know about evolution is factual. OK, I can live with that. However, that fact gives us absolutley no evidence in regard to the question of, by design, or random. I can't prove it's by design and others can't prove it's random. So, other than stroking ego's, what's the point of this argument? And please, before you go there, opinions, theories and the fact that evolution exists does not prove anything one way or the other, regardless of how many PHD's someone has.
That's the point. They physical aspect of life is extremely ordered, if it were not the universe would collapse. Just the right balance of forces to keep it going...
...and out of this finely tuned physical universe with ordered and predictive forces...we get this thing call life which is dynamic, changing, having different properties, will to survive, mind, etc.
from nothing, and by accident, and progressing on the platform of random changes?
And you don't find that to be a fairy story?
...and out of this finely tuned physical universe with ordered and predictive forces...we get this thing call life which is dynamic, changing, having different properties, will to survive, mind, etc.
from nothing, and by accident, and progressing on the platform of random changes?
And you don't find that to be a fairy story?
I do not find it to be a fairy story, no, and that's because I've studied (briefly, sadly forgotten the details, but not the conclusion) the action of complex molecules. A progression from simple atomic existence, to complex, ionized, molecular "behavior" is not hard to observe. There are many entities that occupy the gray area between non-life, ie. molecules, and the single-celled life you've referred to, that indicate a chain. Prions, for just one example, come to mind.
I do find it to be a fantastic (as in straining one's understanding) story, though. So fantastic that it is the source of my own "God feeling". As Alan Watts said, there is something quite peculiar going on.
It's of course important that we don't "argue" over two different issues, because there can be no resolution to that. Evolution as fact does not answer the first cause question, even if some scientists, on faith it's true, extrapolate the process backwards in time to an imagined place where there will be no God. You have been right, there is no evidence of that, it is in fact their own faith. Their faith that they can keep going, keep understanding more, is well founded though, since it too is based on observation.
My own faith is that we'll never come to "the end" of the universe. Every new instrument, every new observational technique, create new "realities" and raise more questions. I agree with the philosopher who said that if Man ever devises a telescope powerful enough to look all the way across existence he'll find himself looking at the back of his own head.
I am saying the theory of evolution is not a fact but rather a guess of the human mind...
Then you are simply wrong.
Evolution is a fact. The process of evolution is observed and predicted as any fact is. Including gravity.
How the process itself actually works, the mechanics down to the last detail is the theory part. Same principle with gravity.
All your dramatic hyperbole won't change those facts.
Like most of your ramblings my nationality is off topic,. But I tell you what, you tell me yours and I may tell you mine. If you are of my nationality though, it's only fair to say I may not want to admit being associated with a fellow citizen who can be so wrong about stuff.
"Then you are simply wrong.
Evolution is a fact."
Then you are simply wrong.
Evolution is not a fact. It is a theory.
That's why it is titled evolutionary theory, not evolutionary fact...
You are terribly confused, or trying to hard to make something a fact which simply is not a fact...which makes you terribly wrong.
2 is a fact. Another 2 is a fact. 4 is a fact. In the equation of 2+2 (you can stay away from the stupid math games) = 4 is the equation states a relational fact. And they you get the stupid math games that argue that 2+2 does not actually =4.
Figures and equations don't lie, but liars sure figure how to trick people into believing a popular belief, even a popular scientific belief...is necessarily a fact...when it is not a fact.
But the equation itself is not a fact, it is a construct, a tool, an imagination, a projection of the mind onto facts, etc.
Change is a fact.
Life being dynamic is a fact.
Life coming from non life is not a fact.
Life coming from non life by accident is not a fact.
Life evolving into other forms of life by accident is not a fact.
So evolution is not a fact, it is a suggested process...which has not been established as a fact, which is why it remains a theory...
Which is why you are wrong when you claim evolution is a fact.
I understand you believe with all your heart and mind that it is true, and I am not going to tell you that you are wrong...just as I don't tell another theist they are wrong in their personal beliefs...but you are just another preacher on a soap box preaching belief, not fact...
Evolution is a fact."
Then you are simply wrong.
Evolution is not a fact. It is a theory.
That's why it is titled evolutionary theory, not evolutionary fact...
You are terribly confused, or trying to hard to make something a fact which simply is not a fact...which makes you terribly wrong.
2 is a fact. Another 2 is a fact. 4 is a fact. In the equation of 2+2 (you can stay away from the stupid math games) = 4 is the equation states a relational fact. And they you get the stupid math games that argue that 2+2 does not actually =4.
Figures and equations don't lie, but liars sure figure how to trick people into believing a popular belief, even a popular scientific belief...is necessarily a fact...when it is not a fact.
But the equation itself is not a fact, it is a construct, a tool, an imagination, a projection of the mind onto facts, etc.
Change is a fact.
Life being dynamic is a fact.
Life coming from non life is not a fact.
Life coming from non life by accident is not a fact.
Life evolving into other forms of life by accident is not a fact.
So evolution is not a fact, it is a suggested process...which has not been established as a fact, which is why it remains a theory...
Which is why you are wrong when you claim evolution is a fact.
I understand you believe with all your heart and mind that it is true, and I am not going to tell you that you are wrong...just as I don't tell another theist they are wrong in their personal beliefs...but you are just another preacher on a soap box preaching belief, not fact...