Why everything you've been told about evolution is wrong

What goes on between the ears in the mind is not objective reality...

It is wholly subjective.

I know you think you gain an understanding of reality through science, but you only gain an understanding of some of the parts of the physical world...

There is more than meets the physical eye.

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That would depend on your aim. Science seeks to recognize and understand objective reality. Art is the subjective spin that seeks to add beauty in the eye of the beholder, whatever that beauty may be. The best art includes reality in some measure because that is the common ground upon which the artist seeks to bond with others, and perhaps evoke a similar emotional response although not necessarily. Art can blunt the sharp edges of reality or make them even more pronounced, depending on the intent and interpretation.

Although the best art incorporates reality together with a subjective element, the best science seeks to remain steadfastly objective. Unlike art, subjectivity does not add value to science. Subjectivity diminishes science's contribution. Perhaps the art in science is in the inspiration that leads to hypotheses that can then be objectively tested to confirm their validity, thereby adding value in the form of knowledge.

The philosophical component is one that may add meaning and context to our lives. As with art, it too is a subjective interpretation, that may or may not have a moral compass attached to it. However, philosophy cannot validate or invalidate science. It can only interpret its value in the scheme of life.
 
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That would depend on your aim. Science seeks to recognize and understand objective reality. Art is the subjective spin that seeks to add beauty in the eye of the beholder, whatever that beauty may be. The best art includes reality in some measure because that is the common ground upon which the artist seeks to bond with others, and perhaps evoke a similar emotional response although not necessarily. Art can blunt the sharp edges of reality or make them even more pronounced, depending on the intent and interpretation.

Although the best art incorporates reality together with a subjective element, the best science seeks to remain steadfastly objective. Unlike art, subjectivity does not add value to science. Subjectivity diminishes science's contribution. Perhaps the art in science is in the inspiration that leads to hypotheses that can then be objectively tested to confirm their validity, thereby adding value in the form of knowledge.

The philosophical component is one that may add meaning and context to our lives. As with art, it too is a subjective interpretation, that may or may not have a moral compass attached to it. However, philosophy cannot validate or invalidate science. It can only interpret its value in the scheme of life.

Interesting post. Ever read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"?
 
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Interesting post. Ever read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"?

I was half way through and left it on plane by mistake.
 
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Interesting post. Ever read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"?
Over the years, I started twice and stopped short both times. I know it's critically acclaimed, but it is one of the few books I picked up that I didn't finish. I will likely give it a go again this summer. Why? What is Pirsig's take on the matter?
 
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Over the years, I started twice and stopped short both times. I know it's critically acclaimed, but it is one of the few books I picked up that I didn't finish. I will likely give it a go again this summer. Why? What is Pirsig's take on the matter?

Pirsig deals with a reality that is behind our perceived subject/object duality. He calls it "Quality". I suppose the Taoist's would call it "the mother of the ten thousand things". It is the combination of both a physical reality, and that reality's qualitative solution to some human purpose. For example, a good hammer. It is a physical reality, AND it's far better than a rock, for pounding nails by hand.

It is because of that book that I agreed with the poster who thought to put Aristotle near the top of the list of most influential humans.

Edit: Pirsig's "Quality" is capitalized, iirc.
 
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...There is more than meets the physical eye.
And sometimes there is less than the mind's eye "sees." Ask any cognitive therapist.
 
Yes, sometimes there is, so for a full view of reality the physical tools of a cognitive therapist simply aren't enough...

Look, let's make this simple.

Computers can now be programmed to beat the very best human chess players, right?

So just program a computer with all the understanding we have of cognitive issues and then send people with cognitive issues to that see that computer for diagnosis and treatment, right?

Or is there something about being human that is more than just a computer style programming?

Does a cognitive therapist with lots of experience and understanding beat the computer given the same task of helping someone with a cognitive problem?

Replicants aren't human...



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And sometimes there is less than the mind's eye "sees." Ask any cognitive therapist.
 
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Okay, I placed the book onto my "to read" heap (again). It is sixth in line.

Good call. It's also a fascinating look at how a man with an IQ of 170 can destroy himself on the indescribable/unanswerable. He should have gone into the easy stuff, math and science. ; )
 
Real science and real scientists never ask the why questions...

They ask how...

Science never knows ultimate answers to why questions, they just go through a series of discovering deeper and deeper levels of how...

Asking why is what makes us humans, and why science alone is not as great as science plus art, plus the humanities, plus philosophy, etc.

As a generalization, card carrying atheists are terrified of the why questions, as they know their trusted science will fall flat and be reduced into a guessing game...

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Good call. It's also a fascinating look at how a man with an IQ of 170 can destroy himself on the indescribable/unanswerable. He should have gone into the easy stuff, math and science. ; )
 
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