Why everything you've been told about evolution is wrong

I know subtlety escapes you, but essentially it boils down to thinking that your own belief system is superior to another person's.

Why is that? What need is filled by trying to prove someone's personal belief systems wrong?

My quest has never been to convince the atheists that they are wrong...just that they are wrong to judge the theists as wrong when it comes to the unknown and unknowable...

If someone wants to think that reason is the best way to find the truth of all life, I would not stop them...let them go for it.

If someone wants to think that faith will reveal to them internally the best way to find the truth of all life, equally I would not stop them...let them go for it.

As long as someone is not exercising power over another person to coerce their belief system to their own, what is the problem?

All these years, I still don't get it. I don't understand the anger of the atheists, nor do I understand the self righteousness of the theists...

Just accept that people have different beliefs, that's it. Religion, real religion has nothing to do with any other human being, it is about one person's relationship to their God.

Science has nothing at all to do with trying to convince a theist that they are wrong in their theism...

So what is the argument really about?

What is the fundamental drive to convince a theist they are wrong, or to convince an atheist that they are wrong?

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No one is "forcing" another into any particular viewpoint...
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The flip side of the same coin is that you can’t prove with 100% accuracy that the big bang is truth. The reason I believe in a power which guides the universe, is because I simply can’t believe that a completely random set of events took us to where we are today, in my opinion logic always prevails, if I am eventually proven otherwise I will humbly accept it.

I particularly have problems thinking that a dot the size of an atom exploded and created a gigantic universe which is so big that we as humans can’t even fathom the size. I will admit that this may be a fatal flaw in my thinking, however I always try to simplify things as much as I can and aim towards logic. Cause = effect for the most part.

I may be proven wrong one day, however that will not take away from the fact, that in my eyes, various organised religions set up the foundation for which we choose to live our lives today, the fundamental laws of religion are basically a definition of the principles of self-awareness, which is what turned us from monkeys/animals to humans. Again I will reiterate these are only my thoughts, but if you find fatal flaws in the logic behind them please point them out. (I am not being facetious, I am 100% serious, I am more than willing to admit if I am wrong) anyways have a good one!


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you can't prove god so why believe it? you can't conceive of an experiment that would prove god. you can't even render a definition of god that could be dis-proved. adding god creates a problem that has NO solution, logically or empirically. why would a rational human being wish to do that :confused:
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The flip side of the same coin is that you can’t prove with 100% accuracy that the big bang is truth. The reason I believe in a power which guides the universe, is because I simply can’t believe that a completely random set of events took us to where we are today, in my opinion logic always prevails, if I am eventually proven otherwise I will humbly accept it.

I particularly have problems thinking that a dot the size of an atom exploded and created a gigantic universe which is so big that we as humans can’t even fathom the size. I will admit that this may be a fatal flaw in my thinking, however I always try to simplify things as much as I can and aim towards logic. Cause = effect for the most part.

I may be proven wrong one day, however that will not take away from the fact, that in my eyes, various organised religions set up the foundation for which we choose to live our lives today, the fundamental laws of religion are basically a definition of the principles of self-awareness, which is what turned us from monkeys/animals to humans. Again I will reiterate these are only my thoughts, but if you find fatal flaws in the logic behind them please point them out. (I am not being facetious, I am 100% serious, I am more than willing to admit if I am wrong) anyways have a good one!
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The flip side of not being able to prove something isn't more of the same.
Can't prove God , can't prove big bang , would be one side of the same coin surely?

On the flip side of the coin might be things that can be proved.
Like for instance the power which you say must guide the universe. Gravity does exactly that.

The universe from a dot or from nowhere is something unimaginable, but a creator from nothing or nowhere is something imaginable.
Yet a creator is on the unproven side of the coin. The universe on the flipside.

How come the universe is not already all the things any divine power could ever be described as?

Isn't the principle of self-awareness across all living things primarily survival?
Morals and ethics themselves must come before religion. Otherwise how if religion is supposed to be a foundation for life, could anyone have a moral or ethical motivation to say it was?

Prove with 100% accuracy?
Religion is certainty without fact. On the flipside, science is fact without certainty.

Around the edge of the coin I suggest, are those things that have facts and proofs in them but have not yet been proven in all aspects themselves. Like big bang
 
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stu, another beautifully stated insightful post. were you a science philosophy major by any chance :D
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Check the mirror dude, something on your nose.
 

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No, nothing like that just ... :D
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Oh okay so you are saying you are a gay chihuahua.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
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No, nothing like that just his posts are cogent they stand out like a sore ^&%$ amongst the creationist's BS. :D
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Yeah, except that his "prove" boils down to evidence, which science defines. How convenient. The scientific worldview is not the only worldview. It may be the most generally utilitarian, but utilitarian is not the only value.
 
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Yeah, except that his "prove" boils down to evidence, which science defines. How convenient. The scientific worldview is not the only worldview. It may be the most generally utilitarian, but utilitarian is not the only value.
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what other evidence would you consider reliable?
 
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