Why Evangelicals Are Fooled Into Accepting Pseudoscience

Quote from Free Thinker:

cognitive dissonance — the intellectual crisis that occurs when a failed belief system or philosophy is confronted with proof of its implausibility. ...

yes
you threw yourself on the alter of random chance... and now that
biological sciences tell you there is no way we had enough time for life to evolve from non life here on earth...

and that our universe looks designed.
you are falling back on 1950s atheistic philosopohy for your worldview.

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note... my Topthropic principle explains perfectly how life could have evolved from non life here in earth. In fact you would expect that evolution would look directed --as many scientists say... in a Top Down --- Topthropic universe.
 
Quote from Trader666:

No, "it's already been established" you're incredibly STUpid... and your continued attempts to lie your way out of your blunders makes you look even more desperate and foolish.
More false accusation and infantile petty insult. Par for the course.
 
Quote from jem:

yes
you threw yourself on the alter of random chance... and now that
biological sciences tell you there is no way we had enough time for life to evolve from non life here on earth...


science in no way says this.

"NOR MUST WE OVERLOOK THE PROBABILITY OF THE CONSTANT INCULCATION IN A BELIEF IN GOD ON THE MINDS OF CHILDREN PRODUCING SO STRONG AND PERHAPS AS INHERITED EFFECT ON THEIR BRAINS NOT YET FULLY DEVELOPED, THAT IT WOULD BE AS DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO THROW OFF THEIR BELIEF IN GOD, AS FOR A MONKEY TO THROW OFF ITS INSTINCTIVE FEAR AND HATRED OF A SNAKE."
Charles Darwin
 
Quote from jem:

Almost everytime I personally review what hawking says... I state... "he says" if there is one universe our universe looks carefully fine tuned - or you can choose what he does and speculate there is a multiverse.

Each time you do "personally review" a cherry picked selection of what Hawking says, it obviously doesn't stop you misquoting or changing the words that he and others do actually say, to make a false choice out of the deceit.

In any case Stephen Hawking says no tuner , so if you are going to follow what he states, fine tuning is of no real help or consequence to your wild claims.
No tuner makes your crazy assertions for what you are calling fine tuning and the imaginary possibility of a tuner, utterly pointless from the start.

Nothing new then. Just driving yourself into another dead end. Again.
 
Quote from Trader666:

More desperate bullshit from the compulsive liar and ignoranus of P&R.

Talking about yourself again like Jem does.
By now you two will be entitled to group membership in the no clue club.
 
Quote from jem:

note... my Topthropic principle explains perfectly how life could have evolved from non life here in earth. In fact you would expect that evolution would look directed --as many scientists say... in a Top Down --- Topthropic universe.

"Why Evangelicals Are Fooled Into Accepting Pseudoscience"

classic.
 
No clue club? This from the troll who's so STUpid that he got the 96% / 4% split of dark matter & dark energy versus everything else BACKWARDS. :p

You really ought to get professional help for your compulsive lying... seriously.
Quote from stu:

Talking about yourself again like Jem does.
By now you two will be entitled to group membership in the no clue club.
 
Quote from stu:

"Why Evangelicals Are Fooled Into Accepting Pseudoscience"

classic.

You realize that when you used Hawking to support your argument... you were using his top down theory of cosmology to explain the fine tunings. The multiverse is pure speculation. It is the Pseudoscience.
If you do not like my conjecture about top down topology- you should reject all the multiverse conjecture. Because it is all made up.

Lets stick to the observable facts. One universe... very fine tunings.
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

science in no way says this.

"NOR MUST WE OVERLOOK THE PROBABILITY OF THE CONSTANT INCULCATION IN A BELIEF IN GOD ON THE MINDS OF CHILDREN PRODUCING SO STRONG AND PERHAPS AS INHERITED EFFECT ON THEIR BRAINS NOT YET FULLY DEVELOPED, THAT IT WOULD BE AS DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO THROW OFF THEIR BELIEF IN GOD, AS FOR A MONKEY TO THROW OFF ITS INSTINCTIVE FEAR AND HATRED OF A SNAKE."
Charles Darwin

You refuse to learn science. Science is saying, as of now it looks like there is no way random chance caused life to evolve from non life here on earth..

Here is a rundown of the situation- I have presented it to you many times before... It is time for you to learn science.


http://web.mit.edu/rog/www/papers/does_origins.pdf

We now know that the probability of life arising by chance is far too low to
be plausible, hence there must be some deeper explanation that we are yet to
discover, given which the origin of life is atleastreasonably likely. Perhaps we
have little idea yet what form this explanation will take—although of course it
will not appeal to the work of a rational agent; this is would be a desperate
last resort, if an option at all—but we have every reason to look for such an
explanation, for we have every reason to think there is one.
In a detailed survey of the field, Iris Fry (1995, 2000) argues that although
the disagreements among origin of life theorists run very deep, relating to the
most basic features of the models they propose, the view sketched above is a
fundamental unifying assumption (one which Fry strongly endorses). Some
researchers in the field are even more optimistic of course. They believe that
they have already found the explanation, or at least have a good head start
on it. But their commitment to the thesis above is epistemically more basic,
in the sense that it motivated their research in the first place and even if their
theories were shown to be false, they would retain this basic assumption.
3
There is a very small group of detractors, whom Fry (1995) calls the “Almosta Miracle Camp” including Francis Crick (1981), ErnstMayr (1982),
and Jaques Monod (1974), who appear to be content with the idea that life
arose by chance even if the probability of this happening is extremely low.
4
According to Crick “the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a
miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to been satisfied
to get it going” (1981: 88); the emergence of life was nevertheless a “happy
accident” (p. 14).
5
According to Mayr, “a full realization of the near impossibility of an origin of life brings home the point of how improbable this
event was.” (1982: 45). Monod famously claimed that although the probability of life arising by chance was “virtually zero. . .our number came up in the
Monte Carlo game” (1974: 137). Life, as Monod puts it, is “chance caught
on a wing” (p. 78). That is, although natural selection took over early to produce the diversity of life, its origin was nothing but an incredibly improbable
fluke.Does Origins of Life Research Rest on a Mistake? 459
However, the vast majority of experts in the field clearly define their work
in opposition to this view. The more common attitude is summed up neatly
by J. D. Bernal.
[T]he question, could life have originated by a chance occurrence of atoms,
clearly leads to a negative answer. This answer, combined with the knowledge
that life is actually here, leads to the conclusion that some sequences other than
chance occurrences must have led to the appearances of life. (quoted in Fry 2000:
153)
Having calculated the staggering improbability of life’s emergence by chance,
Manfred Eigen (1992) concludes,
The genes found today cannot have arisen randomly, as it were by the throw of
a dice. There must exist a process of optimization that works toward functional
efficiency. Even if there are several routes to optimal efficiency, mere trial and
error cannotbe one of them. (p. 11)
It is from this conclusion that Eigen motivates his search for a physical principle that does not leave the emergence of life up to blind chance, hence
making itreproducible in principle:
The physical principle that we are looking for should be in a position to explain
the complexity typical of the phenomena of life at the level of molecular structures and syntheses. It should show how such complex molecular arrangements
are able to form reproducibly in Nature. (p. 11)
According to Christian de Duve (1991),
. . .unless one adopts a creationist view,. . .life arose through the succession of an
enormous number of small steps, almost each of which, given the condition at
the time had a very high probability of happening. . .the alternative amounts to
a miracle. . .were [the emergence of life] not an obligatory manifestation of the
combinatorial properties of matter, it could not possibly have arisen naturally.
(p. 217)
Not all theorists follow De Duve so far as suggesting that life’s emergence
mustbe inevitable. While nota specialistin the area, Richard Dawkins (1987)
captures the attitude that appears to dominate scientific research into life’s
origin. According to Dawkins,
All who have given thought to the matter agree that an apparatus as complex as
the human eye could not possibly come into existence through [a single chance
event]. Unfortunately the same seems to be true of at least parts of the apparatus
of cellular machinery whereby DNA replicates itself (p. 140)460 NOUS ˆ
In considering how the first self-replicating machinery arose, Dawkins asks
“Whatis the largestsingle eventof sheer naked coincidence, sheer unadulterated miraculous luck, that we are allowed to get away with in our theories,
and still say that we have a satisfactory explanation of life?” (p. 141) And
he answers that there are strict limits on the “ration of luck” that we are
allowed to postulate in our theories.
6
According to Dawkins, an examination
of the immense complexity of the most basic mechanisms required for DNA
replication is sufficient to see that any theory which makes its existence a
highly improbable fluke is unbelievable, quite apart from what alternative
explanations are on the table


http://web.mit.edu/rog/www/papers/does_origins.pdf
 
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