Why Evangelicals Are Fooled Into Accepting Pseudoscience

[jem]

here is the science stu.... you lose.

Quote from jem:

here is your buddy telling you the universe appears fine tuned

1. note his weak dismisal of a tuner.
2. weinberg - it has to be this way
3. stenger says not fine tuned
4. multiverse

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then here is ben stein getting dawkings to admit there could be a designer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZtEjtlirc&feature=related

http://richarddawkins.net/articles/...s-universe-s-fine-tuning-difficult-to-explain

Outspoken evangelical geneticist Francis Collins revealed that combative atheist Richard Dawkins admitted to him during a conversation that the most troubling argument for nonbelievers to counter is the fine-tuning of the universe.

“If they (constants in the universe) were set at a value that was just a tiny bit different, one part in a billion, the whole thing wouldn’t work anymore,” said Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health, during the 31st Annual Christian Scholars’ Conference at Pepperdine University in Malibu, Calif.

These constants regarding the behavior of matter and energy – such as strong and weak nuclear forces, gravity, and the speed of light – have to be precisely right during the Big Bang for life as we know it to exist.

“To get our universe, with all of its potential for complexities or any kind of potential for any kind of life form, everything has to be precisely defined on this knife edge of improbability,” said the world renowned scientist.

“That forces a conclusion. If you are an atheist, either it is just a lucky break and the odds are so remote, or you have to go to this multiverse hypothesis, which says that there must be almost an infinite number of parallel universes that have different values of those constants,” explained Collins to Christian scholars of various disciplines in the audience. “And of course we are here and so we must have won the lottery, we must be in the one where everything worked.”

There are some serious scientists in the world, however, such as English theoretical physicist and cosmologist Stephen Hawking, who believe in the multiverse hypothesis.
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[Trader666]

Maybe I can dumb it down for you. Either the Complete Works of Shakespeare was written by Shakespeare or it was a fluke, the eventual product of monkeys typing random characters until one got it exactly right.

Quote from bigarrow:

Stu here's the summary of all of Jem's post's.
A nobel prize winner said the universe "appears" designed...

 

[Ricter]

Quote from Trader666:

... or it was a fluke, the eventual product of monkeys typing random characters until one got it exactly right.

How would we know it's "exactly right" without a previous copy to compare it to?

 

[stu]

Quote from jem:
here is the science stu.... you lose.

3. stenger says not fine tuned

duh.

Quote from jem:
But science says you are wrong... our universe does appear to be finely tuned....

Science says no such thing.
Science is observing a fundamental constant having different values across the universe.

So logic says your irrational creationist idea that so called fine tuning needs a tuner , only for the reason that you want one merely for a bunch of weird personal motives, no longer even makes it to ridiculous.

 

[Ricter]

So we strip religion away from everyone and become what, atheists? The kind of person who would take a source of comfort away from billions?

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Ricter:

So we strip religion away from everyone and become what, atheists? The kind of person who would take away a source of comfort from billions?

do you have something against dealing with reality? knowledge should always trump superstition.
how about secular humanism? it allows a stated goal that includes intellectual honesty:
Humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without theism and other supernatural beliefs, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity.


Justin Brown: An Atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church. An Atheist believes that deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An Atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death. He wants disease conquered, poverty vanished

 

[jem]

Quote from stu:

duh.


Science says no such thing.
Science is observing a fundamental constant having different values across the universe.

So logic says your irrational creationist idea that so called fine tuning needs a tuner , only for the reason that you want one merely for a bunch of weird personal motives, no longer even makes it to ridiculous.

after I have provided you with papers from MIT, quotes from multiple noble prize winners, excerpts from books, explanations about the cosmological constant and a video of atheist pied piper Dawkins admitting scientists have trouble explaining the fine tunings of our universe...

you think Scientists are observing the constants changing in our Universe.

Really?

Cosmological Constant - changing?

I was wrong you are not a troll.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from Free Thinker:

do you have something against dealing with reality? knowledge should always trump superstition.

Knowledge of what, that at any instant you could be torn in half or crushed in a car, dissolved by cancer or punctured by a bullet, keel over from a heart attack or, worse, have a vegetizing stroke, and so be removed from this world, you, who are the face in the mirror, a conscious being who cherishes life, whose dreams can span the universe, destroyed for all time, forgotten, and the meaning of it all is: absolutely nothing? Is that the reality you want people to face, nakedly?

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Ricter:

Knowledge of what, that at any instant you could be torn in half or crushed in a car, dissolved by cancer or punctured by a bullet, keel over from a heart attack or, worse, have a vegetizing stroke, and so be removed from this world, you, who are the face in the mirror, a conscious being who cherishes life, whose dreams can span the universe, destroyed for all time, forgotten, and the meaning of it all is: absolutely nothing? Is that the reality you want people to face, nakedly?

what you may need, feel or desire has no effect on reality. it is up to you to come to terms with the reality that we all face.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from Free Thinker:

what you may need, feel or desire has no effect on reality. it is up to you to come to terms with the reality that we all face.

You're wrong about that. The fear of all that I mentioned and more is precisely what has been driving human history. You are inextricably immersed in a reality created by strong emotion.