Why Evangelicals Are Fooled Into Accepting Pseudoscience

Quote from Hansel H:

I believe there is a divine feature to existence in general but I don't pretend that this belief is anything more than an intuition.


all of religion is "intuition". then you would agree with me that someones" intuition"should not be taken too seriously and certainly not taught in science class?
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

all of religion is "intuition". then you would agree with me that someones" intuition"should not be taken too seriously and certainly not taught in science class?

Yes, religion should not be taught in science class; religion should be taught in religious class to students who opt for relgious instruction. On the other hand in instances where the science is really scientific speculation such as it often is in matters dealing with the ultimate origins of the universe then such science should be identified as speculation and not fact in science class.

Science as taught in public and high schools (excluding cosmogony) should not pose a threat to any but the most fundamentalist religious beliefs because it should be exclusively about observed behaviors of the material world - the world we all must live and function in on a practical, non-metaphysical basis.
 
Quote from Hansel H:

Yes, religion should not be taught in science class; religion should be taught in religious class to students who opt for relgious instruction. On the other hand in instances where the science is really scientific speculation such as it often is in matters dealing with the ultimate origins of the universe then such science should be identified as speculation and not fact in science class.

Science as taught in public and high schools (excluding cosmogony) should not pose a threat to any but the most fundamentalist religious beliefs because it should be exclusively about observed behaviors of the material world - the world we all must live and function in on a practical, non-metaphysical basis.

Well played.
 
Quote from stu:

Yeah well to religious nutters like yourself , any reasonable comment or logical proposition are just word games, basically because you don't have a reasonable argument to make.


There would be no need for agnostics if atheism were no belief? wtf are you talking about now. Of course atheism is no belief.

You see science where there is none. You see intelligent design where there is non. You see belief where there is none. Talk about delusional.
There is no need for agnostics anyway. They're just ditherers, alternating between being atheist one minute and theist the next.

Atheists state many things, one of which is they have no belief in a God. Simple.
How strange you can't grasp it.

You are such a troll. Sure athiests "say a lot of things". From the troll playbook... chapter on sentences which may be used to qualify any previous garbage you fraudulently stated. (chapter 7 of the book... Stu's sentence which means virtually nothing. copyright Stu 2005-2011.)

But what does an atheist state which sets him apart... which defines him. What is the definition of Atheism.

An atheist states there is no God

Definition of ATHEISM

1
archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
2
a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
b : the doctrine that there is no deity

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism


But lets ask you


So lets see it... as an atheist... do you have no belief in God
or do you state there is no God.

Now lets consider that statement in light of your impressive trolling on these boards.
 
Quote from Hansel H:

Yes, religion should not be taught in science class; religion should be taught in religious class to students who opt for relgious instruction. On the other hand in instances where the science is really scientific speculation such as it often is in matters dealing with the ultimate origins of the universe then such science should be identified as speculation and not fact in science class.

Science as taught in public and high schools (excluding cosmogony) should not pose a threat to any but the most fundamentalist religious beliefs because it should be exclusively about observed behaviors of the material world - the world we all must live and function in on a practical, non-metaphysical basis.
then hopefully you would agree that we should teach to the best of our knowledge and so called intelligent design , which is a religious concept, should be excluded from the textbooks.
 
Quote from 377OHMS:

How many people in this thread have a formal education in physics?

Thats what I thought. I'm the only one with a university degree in physics. We were taught and shown evidence that life is difficult to explain in an entropic universe. That implies design and its what is being taught in science and engineering programs all over the world.

All the philosophical bullshit doubletalk being spewed by stu and others here means nothing. They simply don't know what they are talking about. FreeThinker has a fetish for arguing nonsensically about this stuff but he hasn't got a clue either.

I've no problem we folks yammering on and on about the subject. That is what this forum is for. Just thought I'd inject some reality.

I'll admit I only took a survey course in physics at university, but I still can't believe a physics major wrote this.
 
Like here were you "thought" you "reasoned away" the existence of God with your laughably moronic, self-contradictory drivel? STUpid assumptions + STUpid "logic" = STUpid conclusions :p

A Celestial Teapot or a Celestial God? Of course both are equally implausible.
Simply because a Celestial God is just as much of an unfalsifiable claim as is a Celestial Teapot.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2951231#post2951231

Quote from STUpid:

Yeah well to religious nutters like yourself , any reasonable comment or logical proposition are just word games, basically because you don't have a reasonable argument to make.
 
Quote from Ricter:

I'll admit I only took a survey course in physics at university, but I still can't believe a physics major wrote this.

Oh, here I'll break it down for you.

First, I appreciate that you surveyed a physics course, all of that experience with theodelites, inclinometers, trigonometry and geodesy could come in handy if, say, you need to survey the Indian subcontinent.

If the premise is that we live in an entropic universe and that all resultant processes are thermodynamically entropic (no outside energy introduced, no "design", pure randomness) then we would not expect self-organizing systems to appear. The idea that self-organized organic processes appeared on Earth spontaneously is problematic. Energy was added and that energy appears to have been directed with intent.

It was perhaps not Jesus, the apostles or God as primitive man has conceived but certainly energy was added to the system and the energy was directed with intent.

Now freethinker and stu and others will follow with dozens of posts employing words like pseudo-science and other philosphical improvisations but little of what they say has any basis in hard science. They like to yammer about it and this is the forum for such blatherings so no worries. But don't tell me that a huge cauldron of boiling random inorganic compounds leads to cellular life because I know it is malarkey.

I personally believe in a multiverse with the power of infinity at work. There are an infinite number of universes and a fraction of infinity is...infinity. So if a fraction of universes possess life then and there are an infinite number of them. I find this comforting given that the expansion of our universe means a cold, dark end for anything living in the distant future. The stars fly away from one another and eventually burn up all of their fuel. Our universe ends at absolute zero temperature and completely dead.

The End.
 
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