why don''t people just sell options instead of trading minis?

Handle123 said:
You had me at this line as anything that comes after is meaning less to me.

Actually, really depends how many strikes out the spread is, many stocks/ETFs, if you go out 8 strikes options are a nickel which is almost being naked and reason many even have this cause limited margin held. But you are concentrating on profits whereas I concentrate on risk, very few of what I do expire worthless and I am just looking to get out at percentage. I think too many are looking at profits first whereas keeping losing percentages down I think should come first.
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I'm always looking to get solid spreads on - involving multiple structures - for as cheap as possible. For me, it's the opposite of selling the nickels 8 SD's out. If I have any options that are short and trading for a nickel - I get rid of them. In fact I'll usually close them out well before the nickel, but only to juice the spread in the case of a bigger move on expiry day. There is nothing left to gain at those levels.

It's awesome to be able to occasionally jack one into the parking lot. But if you are batting .150 you aren't going to play in the big leagues. It's about getting on base...singles and doubles.
 
ktm said:
It's awesome to be able to occasionally jack one into the parking lot. But if you are batting .150 you aren't going to play in the big leagues. It's about getting on base...singles and doubles.
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Especially if you're a Cubs fan/player!
 
ktm said:
I'm always looking to get solid spreads on - involving multiple structures - for as cheap as possible. For me, it's the opposite of selling the nickels 8 SD's out. If I have any options that are short and trading for a nickel - I get rid of them. In fact I'll usually close them out well before the nickel, but only to juice the spread in the case of a bigger move on expiry day. There is nothing left to gain at those levels.

It's awesome to be able to occasionally jack one into the parking lot. But if you are batting .150 you aren't going to play in the big leagues. It's about getting on base...singles and doubles.
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I was trying to show OP how to be as close to trading naked and not have great amount being held for margin. I do either Debit or Credit spreads but use much closer strikes as I am concentrating on the risk than much of anything else.

I can't believe Cubs even signed Heyward all those bucks cause he wasn't worth it even before this season. And Cub's pitcher Lester is very good pitcher-if he learned to throw to first-he's be an outstanding pitcher-can't believe a leftie can't throw to first. Cubs be smart to keep Folwer.
 
Handle123 said:
I was trying to show OP how to be as close to trading naked and not have great amount being held for margin. I do either Debit or Credit spreads but use much closer strikes as I am concentrating on the risk than much of anything else.

I can't believe Cubs even signed Heyward all those bucks cause he wasn't worth it even before this season. And Cub's pitcher Lester is very good pitcher-if he learned to throw to first-he's be an outstanding pitcher-can't believe a leftie can't throw to first. Cubs be smart to keep Folwer.
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I'm with ya. :)
 
tradelosses said:
It would almost seem like instead of going long or short minis you should just sell a put/call instead...at least you get a nice cushion from the premium if you're wrong initially. the data shows 90% of traders fail, most regardless of duration. Peopel really suck at timing the market, on all time frames. having the premium work to your advantage should at least bump the odds a bit
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This is how I do it

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Gezunt said:
If you want go short , sell put and sell futures/stock , if you want to get long sell call and long stock/futures , risk of choput is reduced .

The premium you receive will be about 3% for puts or calls on indices for 2 months , that 3 % gives you an edge /cushion , price has to go more than 3 % against you before you see loss .

If it goes > 3 % , you can sell second option to get 6% premium on options , if you are clever you get trade your way out of losses by further option trades .1 future /stock = 2 options .

You will find something profitable , if work hard on this , otherwise you will be with charlatans forever.

If you are smart enough , you will also find a strategy that makes 100% a year return , on futures and options.These smart traders are on their yachts not on E T.

Most people are sold the snake oil of price action , technical analysis , trends etc Your data confirms the value of these analyses, plus something else more important , this is hidden by all snake oil merchants and their accomplices.


Your writing style gives you away as a STEALTH VENDOR--- stealth vendors are not welcome here. GO AWAY!!
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No I am trading it live

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tradelosses said:
It would almost seem like instead of going long or short minis you should just sell a put/call instead...at least you get a nice cushion from the premium if you're wrong initially. the data shows 90% of traders fail, most regardless of duration. Peopel really suck at timing the market, on all time frames. having the premium work to your advantage should at least bump the odds a bit
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THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE


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