Why does TA not work (for you)?

Quote from marketsurfer:

That sure sounds subjective to me. Surf surf

Yeah, only it isn't. I'm not going to lay out the equation for you, but there is one. In fact, there are two equations, one for long trades and one for short trades.
 
You must not know what the word "illustrate" means :p

Quote from HurricaneUS:


NoDoji: It can't very well illustrate a measured move break out of a bull flag channel until after the fact, can it?

you've just made surf's point :p
 
Quote from NoDoji:

It can't very well illustrate a measured move break out of a bull flag channel until after the fact, can it? :D

HurricaneUS wanted you know "before hand" that cornixforex was going to make a commentary that flags in strong trends are probably the best breakouts so that you'll have enough time to post a real-time chart or real-time commentary as the CL futures breakout was occurring.

For example, I like volatility breakouts.

Therefore, to make HurricaneUS happy...you should know that I was going to say I like volatility breakouts "before I said it" so that you can respond in real-time with a real-time chart or real-time price action commentary of one occurring.

To do such, I recommend you subscribe to this thread so that you can get real-time email updates that someone has posted a message in this thread...preferably you get the updates "before" the commentary actually happens so that your replies with charts are not hindsight. :D

Quote from cdcaveman:

this thread is complete noise.. i'm unsubscribing.. you guys are all wasting each others time..!

I now strongly agree. The fat lady is singing and everybody's point has been made a dozen times over. I'm outta here.
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

exits are based on individual goals, capital and risk tolerance. they are by definition subjective to each person's situation.

surf surf
I don't think you can argue that the best exit is not the best entry in the opposite direction (Jack Hershey's SCT). The market doesn't care of anybody's "individual goals, capital and risk tolerance". If you're just guessing, there's no winning combination of "individual goals, capital and risk tolerance".
 
Quote from frenchfry:

And a last question... you mentioned "End effects". I'm not sure what they are. It could be simply the FTTs, or ftts.

But I think the first question is: You are talking about "End effects" of what? Containers? Volume sequences? Something else?

You also said that there are two test which one can perform to identify them. It might become clearer how to perform the tests once we know what the EEs are.

I'm sorry I wasn't on today.

Shoot me a blank log.

I can use it to help you get logging down. in all ways.

I'll come back in couple of hours.
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

There is overwhelming evidence but TA's still use the TA crutch to support their success or lack of

Dozens upon dozens of empirical studies have proven it doesn't work.
http://scholarworks.uno.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1049&context=econ_wp

http://www.stockopedia.co.uk/conten...easons-why-we-dont-believe-in-charting-63806/

by the way, burden of proof is on those making the claims of success, not on the skeptics.

surf

expecting way better than this surf, you were busting on someone for talking about market wizards, then you drop a musty obscure article
from 1991, I am glad I was not on your debate team....:p
 
Quote from kinggyppo:

expecting way better than this surf, you were busting on someone for talking about market wizards, then you drop a musty obscure article
from 1991, I am glad I was not on your debate team....:p

Not only that, but the article states on the first page that the authors take it as proven that under certain assumptions, past price information can be used to make abnormal profits (their phrase), which goes against surf's claim that past prices are useless.

"There are few sophisticated technical rules that may explain why technical analysis works. For example, Treynor and Ferguson (JF, 2985) demonstrate the usefulness of past price information in making an abnormal profit. They develop a Bayesian probability estimate using past price data to assess whether the market incorporates some firm-specific information, that is made available to investors. If the market does not have such information, and this is confirmed in past price data, the investor with this private information can make a trading profit. Technical analysis in the Treynor-Ferguson sense is beyond the scope of this paper, however."
 
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