why does religion matter?

[james_bond_3rd]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

You continually confuse information with knowledge, which is evidence in most of your condescending posts...

A dictionary, an encyclopedia, a computer with all the data in the world...all have no knowledge, just information.

Information is not knowledge, it is simply information.

We live in an information age, but clearly not a knowledge age...

If you don't know the difference between information and knowledge, I would not be surprised at all...

Lol. This is not the first time you make a fool of yourself.

From dictionary.com:

in·for·ma·tion /ˌɪnfərˈmeɪʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-fer-mey-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. knowledge communicated or received concerning a particular fact or circumstance; news: information concerning a crime.
2. knowledge gained through study, communication, research, instruction, etc.; factual data: His wealth of general information is amazing.
3. the act or fact of informing.
4. an office, station, service, or employee whose function is to provide information to the public: The ticket seller said to ask information for a timetable.

[other meanings clipped]

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

The dictionary response.

How bloody predictable.

Just like your Pavlovian reaction to my countering your false claim that "Jefferson was an atheist" which was in effect saying nothing more that you had the correct understanding of what Jefferson was saying.

C...l...a...s...s...i...c.

What a dunce.

Geez, you really can't think for yourself, can you?

Okay dumbass:

"Information is not knowledge."
---Albert Einstein---

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins163057.html
http://thinkexist.com/quotation/information_is_not_knowledge/12642.html

Man, you spend most of the time here spitting hooks out of your mouth...

You are like a trained seal...

Quote from james_bond_3rd:

Lol. This is not the first time you make a fool of yourself.

From dictionary.com:

in·for·ma·tion /ˌɪnfərˈmeɪʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-fer-mey-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. knowledge communicated or received concerning a particular fact or circumstance; news: information concerning a crime.
2. knowledge gained through study, communication, research, instruction, etc.; factual data: His wealth of general information is amazing.
3. the act or fact of informing.
4. an office, station, service, or employee whose function is to provide information to the public: The ticket seller said to ask information for a timetable.

[other meanings clipped]

 

[james_bond_3rd]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

The dictionary response.

How bloody predictable.

Just like your to my countering your "Jefferson was an atheist" response, which was in effect saying that you had the correct understanding of what Jefferson was saying.

C...l...a...s...s...i...c.

Geez, you really can't think for yourself, can you?

Okay dumbass:

"Information is not knowledge."
---Albert Einstein---

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins163057.html

Man, you spend most of the time here spitting hooks out of your mouth...



You are like a trained monkey...

I guess I was wrong to say that only conservatives hate knowledge. At least one liberal also does. Too sad.

Einstein would be turning in his grave knowing that you are butchering his words this way, way out of context.

Here is the entire quote (I bet you can't find it on the web!)
"Information is not knowledge, imagination is everything. It’s more important than knowledge. The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Man, I can just see you pulling out a dictionary and showing it Einstein telling him his quote was wrong.

You are one dim bulb...

I don't need to search for a quote, only a dumbass like you provides quotes without a link to confirm the quote.

What an inestimable loser you are...

Quote from james_bond_3rd:

I guess I was wrong to say that only conservatives hate knowledge. At least one liberal also does. Too sad.

Einstein would be turning in his grave knowing that you are butchering his words this way, way out of context.

Here is the entire quote (I bet you can't find it on the web!)
"Information is not knowledge, imagination is everything. It’s more important than knowledge. The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

...If we think we can get away with doing what is considered wrong, but we don't because we think it is wrong on principle...then we are functioning from a moral foundation, not out of fear of punishment for getting caught...

Quote from Thunderdog:

Which is precisely why I deplore the expression "God fearing."

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Why deplore it?

If a fear of God and punishment for doing wrong...actually keeps people from doing wrong, why on earth would you be against that?

Read what I wrote. I deplore the term because it is typically used in a complimentary manner to describe someone. As you yourself wrote, someone who fears God is not necessarily functioning from a moral foundation. However, he pretends to do so and is therefore a more insidious threat: you don't see him coming. People who don't do something out of fear rather than because of their moral compass often transgress and then depend on ever-merciful forgiveness. You see it in the news all the time.

If fear causes someone to do the right thing or at least not do the wrong thing, then I'm all for it. But let's not make the mistake of glorifying someone who operates in this manner.

 

[LT701]

i frankly never have understood why people debate religion

the fact is, there is more to the universe, than humanity could ever possibly understand, let alone replicate or exceed

whatever is, is

no amount of debate will ever change one iota of it

for many, their faith, their agnostisism or athism is just their way of accepting this fact, and appreciating whatever 'it's is that gave them what they have in this life

people should just believe what suits them, and get on with their lives

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from LT701:

...people should just believe what suits them, and get on with their lives

I agree, provided that someone's personal beliefs associated with anything intangible or unmeasurable (and therefore potentially arbitrary by another's measure) is not imposed in any way on anyone else. Unfortunately, history, up to and including the present day, does not provide a very good example.

And let's just be clear that moral standards and being a good neighbor need not be intertwined with "faith." Some people cannot seem to make that distinction. If we could all agree on ground rules at least similar to these, then I'm certainly willing to make a go of it.

What about the rest of you bad haircuts?

 

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Quotes you won't find in the Bible:



I don't need to search for a quote, only a dumbass like you provides quotes without a link to confirm the quote.

The dictionary response.

How bloody predictable.

C...l...a...s...s...i...c.

What a dunce.

Geez, you really can't think for yourself, can you?

You are one dim bulb...


What an inestimable loser you are...

Man, you spend most of the time here spitting hooks out of your mouth...

You are like a trained seal...

No, I don't confuse your lecturing style with learning.

You seem quite confused.

You don't even have the gonads to click the ignore button...

There's lot's more where these come from!

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Jesus

 

[nutmeg]

"Both sides will argue that it is not possible for them both to be right, and that one or the other of them has to be wrong. And depending on which side you listen to, it is easy to start believing one side or the other. But, whether or not it is possible for them both to be RIGHT, there is no doubt in my mind that it is not only possible, but quite definitely true that both sides are very WRONG. There is no need for anyone to side with either camp."

Thoughts?

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

John Godfrey Saxe's ( 1816-1887) version of the famous Indian legend,


It was six men of Indostan,
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind.

The First approach'd the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
"God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!"

The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, -"Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis mighty clear,
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!"

The Third approach'd the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
"I see," -quoth he- "the Elephant
Is very like a snake!"

The Fourth reached out an eager hand,
And felt about the knee:
"What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," -quoth he,-
"'Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!"

The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said- "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!"

The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Then, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
"I see," -quoth he,- "the Elephant
Is very like a rope!"

And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!

MORAL,

So, oft in theologic wars
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean;
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!

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Quote from nutmeg:

"Both sides will argue that it is not possible for them both to be right, and that one or the other of them has to be wrong. And depending on which side you listen to, it is easy to start believing one side or the other. But, whether or not it is possible for them both to be RIGHT, there is no doubt in my mind that it is not only possible, but quite definitely true that both sides are very WRONG. There is no need for anyone to side with either camp."

Thoughts?