Why does ET countertrend powerful trends so much ?

Quote from NoDoji:

Only if you buy a pullback that broke the trend line in your time frame.

I think most first trend line breaks fail, especially in a strong trend.

I guess we should clarify if its a micro trend line break or a major.

Oh the nuances. :cool:
 
Quote from S2007S:

This "trend" to the upside is nothing but trillions of dollars working it's way through the system.

I disagree, it has nothing to do with that.

IMO, this rally is "buy the rumor" that we may have a more favorable shift in politics (a.k.a. today's economics) come this November and therefore something resembling decent economic policy at least as far as business is concerned.

It doesn't matter if any of us little folk believe it or not, Big Money does.

There is certainly no evidence that the trillions wasted so far have created barely anything but more debt. It certainly has not created anything but Federal jobs and more bloated regulations. It certainly has not filtered into lending for private industry or consumers.

And some ultra-expensive union infrastructure jobs. And a bunch of climate-based (false) science grants and pork to so-called green companies.

So, yet again, we have too much money chasing too little value = the very definition of a bubble.
 
Quote from Now is Now:

Surprisingly, too broad a statement coming from you (not putting you down)....Ammo is successful and generally a 1 way trader (counter trend), but he uses appropriate stops to get out of the way...so, basically, there is no way he is going to have his ass handed to him.....in the meantime...

I trade counter trend on ES ,but without the same sophistication of Ammo,...I 'know'/understand where he is coming from but don't apply the same discipline....I used to do something very similar back in the 90's.

Therefore I am always aware of the potential of getting a good kick in the ass...fortunately has not happened for quite awhile; not to say my nose didn't bleed a couple of times:D :eek:

'Counter trend' trading is profitable provided the trader has an adequate capital base and common sense allocation strategy...and above all , to know when they are wrong.


NiN
i'm a lousy trader but a good chartist, i see support and res using market profile and trendlines, i apply these over several instruments to get confirmation or non confirmation, when it sets up i put on a position, when wrong ,i get out,i trade the extremes not the middle between supp/res because i'm not that good of a scalper,its simple supply/demand, its not really countertrend, its selling res and buying supp,trial and error works it way down to drinking the koolaid or reading the screen,from the es journal, just to name a few, vol,jss, LC,startraitor,wave,the new guys buying this last 120 point move, they are all more talented and have outraded me day in day out,they just dont post there entry/exits as often,i post out of boredom and a chance to share hoping to get info back, pay it forward,its working,don't define traders,there styles ,or yourself, define the market and trade it limiting your losses
 
It seems to me that 'counter trending' comes in different shapes and , by definition, can be meant to mean 'position trading' subject to the individual's strategy....the key to success is to know when you are wrong and get out of the way...

I tend to push the envelope a little, but no real harm....I have an 'exit' if pushed to the limit and will have to eat it.

While been profitable , I can see that I can really improve my entry points....patience is not my strongest suit and have got used to doing the same ol' same ol'....need to adjust and my exposures will look a lot better.

Ironically, my mindset is completely different with E6....a different animal.


NiN
 
buying the dips works best in bull markets

Quote from No.Heat:

I did not want to trash any threads or journals so decided to start my own and just comment here.

Without insulting or being condescending I just cannot fathom this impulse of people refusing to trade in such a simplistic profitable way.

Listen people, it's very simple.

If the trend is strong, you don't counter trend it period.

It's hard to find powerful trends in ridiculous charts, you know the kind, so use charts that matter.

Once you find these strong trends, simple structured channel is enough.

Don't go shorting uptrends, dont go buying downtrends.

It's that simple.

If it's going up, look to buy, and not at the highs please, wait for weakness.

And the reverse for shorting.

Quite simple geez, please stop doing the alternative, it's a losing proposition unless you cheat with money management, which will eventually bite you in the ass, you know the kind...

No Heat
 
Quote from ProfLogic:

You don't make any money.
You aren't even out of high school yet.

You rizort to insult me because you can't post any logical arguments to support frequent trading.

Deep inside you know I'm right, this makes you feel frustrated so you end up insulting me.
 
Quote from piezoe:

Its always the same. Never changes. Iv'e been in the markets forty damn years. There are always those who are dismayed that the market is not going the way they think it should based on the economy. They are the ones that buy into the efficient market hypothesis and other such nonsense. Eventually they learn, but it may take them years to catch on, that when the market is going down it does so in spite of what they think, and ditto when it goes up.

The people in trouble are always the ones with an investors mentality trying to trade intraday or short term.

Long term investing and short term trading are two entirely different animals.

I totally agree, what the funnymentals are saying has nothing to do with price as often times it is late or already factored in. Like when Crude was $100, folks saying the highs are in, all the way up to $147, if you weren't using options as a hedge, shorting was losing.

What I have always thought funny, so many people start as day traders and lose, and yet all the big money is made in longer term. You have much more time to think of the trade. When you add up how much you actually risked today to get so little profits, whereas long term, total risk is much smaller and profits are huge compared to day trading.

Unless you are doing breakouts, all other entries are counter-trend, buying dips in some timeframe is counter-trend.

I very seldom do breakouts, I don't like to extend risk to other side, just too much jagged price action for me. Do I recommend to anyone of waiting for price to come down to levels to buy, heck no, most people refuse to spend 10,000 hours to backtest.
 
By definition, all winning trades must mean that you were "in the trend" for at least a portion of the time between your entry and exit..

For example say you bought at 10 and sold at 20. The trade took an hour. For a portion (or perhaps the full hour) you were in the trend.
 
I saw this alot on the forexfactory forum last night. Lot of people trying to short the E/U . People always trying to call tops and bottoms. Newbs perhaps.
 
Quote from crgarcia:

You rizort to insult me because you can't post any logical arguments to support frequent trading.

Deep inside you know I'm right, this makes you feel frustrated so you end up insulting me.

You can't spell or use punctuation correctly just like most people in high school. You give yourself away each time you post. You insult yourself just being in this forum.

My 10 year old son knows it would be impossible to Photoshop 30 MG of back testing results in such a short time . . . but you don't.

So maybe you aren't smarter than a 5th grader . . . either.
 
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