Why Do We Trade? For Real.

Dude, dry cleaning is the NUMBER ONE MILLIONAIRE MAKER of any small business in history. But I just used that as an example, there are tons of small businesses that make more money more consistently and with tremendously less risk than retail trading.

You can start of pick up drop off dry cleaning biz for under $1000.00 or any other number of businesses. I started my biz with $15.00 and a car back in 1989. Made over a million over the years and never never had to borrow money for the biz-- I liked to spend too much, which was my downfall, but still the biz made the $$$-- sure it was a micro biz but made me an executive level salary with just several hours a week. Anyone can do this, so can you---

Trade after you get rich from biz, not before. IF you try it and make it prior-- you are the black swan-- it can be done, but why do something with astronomical poor odds?

I know multiple poorly educated real estate millionaires, BUT NOT ONE trader who started with small amounts of money-- and the MARKETS ARE MY BUSINESS so I am well connected in the industry. surf

Can totally relate to that, similar story, started businesses with pocket change and moved into trading when already well off as a secondary source of income.
It has now become my main source of income but I could also make a decent living with passive income only.
Moving to self employed full time trading with a very limited budget doesn't seem to offer the best odds of all business endeaviours.
 
Because then you'll be afraid of losing it. And become afraid of being wrong. Which are at the core of nearly all the difficulties I see (I'd say "all" but it's not necessary).

That's the case with nearly every business. Interesting, can we say that running any business just for the money is a losing position?
 
That's the case with nearly every business. Interesting, can we say that running any business just for the money is a losing position?

Of course. Why else do you think so many fail? It helps to have at least some interest in what one is doing, but without a business plan, the venture will fail.
 
Wow, what an interesting thing to catch up on, surprised this kept up so much, and go so off topic... TOO MANY attacks on people here, detracts from honest discussion or feedback. I find that the people with opposing opinions or ideas are the ones I most need to listen to. I remember years ago arguing that oil would Never be sub $100 a barrel again, boy was my head stuck in the sand. Understanding or being open to opposing viewpoints, being able to argue their viewpoint, and your own, is the good way to understand things. Growing up believing in something like TA (I miss some of the TA that headache gal used to post), spending years with it "working" only reinforces that it works, without understanding why it might not work.

I believe in limited application of TA for several reasons. 1) Many people follow it. 2) As WON talked about studying past fund managers, they bought the new highs! 3) In order to be a great growth story, new highs have to be hit over and over. On the other hand, I've done bought my fair share of DOGS hitting new highs whilst on margin that BLEW ME THE F UP!

Examples of TA that are working for me- click images for larger
1. http://4nursebee.blogspot.com/2014/11/cross.html
2. http://4nursebee.blogspot.com/2014/11/can-tea-leaves-be-read.html
3. Above company now above 9 with blue sky.

Did I buy that company based upon TA alone? Hell no. I bought it based upon serious research, more work than anyone I've ever come across other than the guy that brought LL to task in 2013, he actually tested formaldehyde content himself. So it is FA, combined with TA that works for me. This segues into another topic brought about here.

Someone argued that big firms/institutions have power or benefit not available to the retail trader at home. BULLSHIT. Firms have rules that have to be followed. For the NVAX trade, there is no way they would have sat thru 30% loss, gotten a nice gain on a significant portion of their holdings as it started to move up, and then ADDED to near 100% exposure. Same thing with my trades in TSLA. Big firms of any size can't pyramid winners, they have to decrease risk exposure. Win for the little guy.

Coding a trading plan is really a weak argument brought up. No I can't code what I do, no I cant code. If I were to code a system that got someone rich, it would be get a job, save as much as you can, LBYM, use a ROTH. Work a long time. Done. You are rich. Oh, low cost equity index funds as preferred vehicle.

Surf as a former market TA expert, did you get into astrology?

I think Don Miller is purely TA trader.
 
Of course. Why else do you think so many fail? It helps to have at least some interest in what one is doing, but without a business plan, the venture will fail.

I think many fail for many reasons, but main is - lack of necessary skills. Mindset is important, but may work both ways.
 
BTW, Surf touched an interesting matter yesterday: not getting rich cause love for things is stronger than for money. Resonates with compound interest matter.
 
It shows.


Actually i need to make it about the money, but got 2 months before i need a wage, too be honest still slacking and playing around.

Found a cheap MTB i want, $1800 so might make more effort next week with the promise of taking it out and new toy.
 
Plot twist:

For those of you who trade for the challenge / game / etc - has this hampered your ability to grow as a trader? I went through this struggle very much... in two forms. #1 - the need to be right per my model was more than my desire to win $, and #2 - my desire to complete my model was greater than my desire to win $. IOW, the pursuit of knowledge was paramount over anything else and that hurt me for awhile.

Yes, eventually you rid yourself of that.... (or do you? lol. still a bit of a struggle at times).
 
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