Why do we need a 400 million a pop F-22 jet to blow up camels?

Quote from Lucrum:

I recommend not flying on the airlines then, because that's exactly what you're breathing while on board.

Interesting.
I guess that is why I do not enjoy being on planes. And perhaps part of the reason people get sick on them during the winter.
 
Quote from jem:

I just jumping to conclusions here... but those pilots are athletes. Their bodies are probably demanding more than coffee.

I would not want to suck filtered engine bleed air for a fricken minute if I had a choice.

I can't even drive my car with the windows closed.
Alert brains have needs.

Most of the big modern commercial aircraft don't use bleed air for cabin pressurization anymore but instead use electric compressors.

They don't send any hot air outside of the engine pod as it is considered safer and more efficient to simply run generators from the engine shaft horsepower and send HVAC out to the cabin pressure and AC/Heating systems.

Back in the 707 days you would notice a hydrocarbon smell in the cabin air right at engine startup when a puff of half-burned fuel came out of the the bleed air systems and some made it into the cabin.

I hate the modern fighter O2 generation systems because there is no tank and you can't crawl into the cockpit with a hangover on Saturday morning and close the canopy and go onto 100% oxygen like the old days. I remember putting the switch on 100% and putting the hose down my shirt on very hot days working on Phantoms. It was a not a dangerous act and could not cause a fire like Apollo because the oxygen was not under great pressure and there was no mask so it mixed down with ambient atmosphere. Best hangover cure on the planet. :D
 
Quote from jem:

Interesting.
I guess that is why I do not enjoy being on planes. And perhaps part of the reason people get sick on them during the winter.
I read recently that the main reason people get sick on planes is not because of the air but the because of the surfaces.
 
Quote from Ricter:

I read recently that the main reason people get sick on planes is not because of the air but the because of the surfaces.

The air is trapped, its a pressure vessel that is kept pressurized with the same air in the cabin for the whole flight. Any germs from sneezing etc are just kept in the cabin. If it wasn't for the extremely low humidity and moderate pressurization (8,000 ft equivalent pressure generally) it would be even worse.

That is why they really freak if someone with TB has been on a flight because it is so likely that everyone breathed it.
 
Quote from 377OHMS:

Most of the big modern commercial aircraft don't use bleed air for cabin pressurization anymore but instead use electric compressors....

I guess I just showed my age - again. :D
 
Quote from noob_trad3r:

Seriously, it seems expensive to blow up camels and old toyota technicals?

We have plenty and then some to take on any enemy. Why such a fancy expensive F-22? To combat some Alien invasion that we have not been told about?

Cos the camels may be terrorists.
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

what capable opponent? none exist.

you mean like the b1 bomber? we built them to deter russia right at the end of the need for heavy bomber era and have never needed them or really used them. the old b52s still do the heavy work even in iraq.
still we maintain 3 b1 bomber bases in the us at huge expense just incase we need to bomb russia. one of them is in my back yard. why do we need a b1 bomber base in the middle of south dakota?
you simply cant waste this kind of money preparing for the last war. its like a lawn service going out and buying a fleet of semi trucks to haul grass to the landfill when he has no problem getting the job done with pickup trucks.

Actually that's largely incorrect, the B52 hasn't flown a combat sorties since ~06 while B1's have been deployed in support of OIF/OEF since Oct 2001. It's actually made a very successful transition into conventional roles such as CAS, long range strike and stand-off weapons delivery. The nature of the fight since its inception has certainly changed but for the most part the aircraft has undoubtedly been able to keep pace and relevancy in the current nature of the fight.
 
Quote from Bat-IX:

Actually that's largely incorrect, the B52 hasn't flown a combat sorties since ~06 while B1's have been deployed in support of OIF/OEF since Oct 2001. It's actually made a very successful transition into conventional roles such as CAS, long range strike and stand-off weapons delivery. The nature of the fight since its inception has certainly changed but for the most part the aircraft has undoubtedly been able to keep pace and relevancy in the current nature of the fight.

True. The B-52s did some great work in Afghanistan flying out of Guam and Diego Garcia but its been the B-1B that has done the heavy lifting since about 2006. I love the video of the B-1B dropping 48 JDAMs.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

I guess I just showed my age - again. :D

I love the line from Donald Sutherland in Kelly's Heroes as a tank commander: "I just ride them, I don't know what makes 'em work". :D
 
Quote from 377OHMS:

I love the line from Donald Sutherland in Kelly's Heroes as a tank commander: "I just ride them, I don't know what makes 'em work". :D
I remember that line.

In my defense, if there is any, most if not all corporate jets still use engine bleed air.
 
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