Why do traders lose more money on their losing trades than they make on their winning trades?

Don't worry, you will soon have your "A-ha" moment. Let me just stress that risk management, while important, should be secondary. You first need to learn WHERE and WHEN to enter and exit. A good trade ALWAYS begins with proper entry and exit. That means getting in and out at the right place at the right time. Some practical terms to think about: Price, Momentum, and Time (or timing). Lastly, be patient. Never chase the price. Let it come to you.

Well said shizo.
Before taking a trade you must do your homework. Planning the trade is important. Very important. You must know where the pair in question is heading & how far it will go before the next retracement.
You must also know how far the trade may go against you before heading off to your target. After all timing a trade entry to perfection is impossible in most instances. Also the target must always be greater than your SL. Even a 50% win rate will make you profitable with this plan.
Don't be too ambitious (greedy). Set your TP for the easy target.
 
The main reason is that when a trade goes against you and it approaches your physical or mental stop loss, you know if you let the trade hit that stop you will lose that amount of money. So sometimes traders will either have a wider stop or even move their stop down hoping that price will turn back in their direction and that they will not be stopped out.

The reverse is true for winners. Once a trade moves in your direction you know if you kill the trade or lower your target you will 100% have a winning trade and book that profit. Plus the fear is the reverse of a trade approaching a stop, you think if I don't take the profit, price will reverse and the trade will go all the way back past my entry point and hit my stop. Yes, this does happen, but what can also be done is once the trade is going your direction instead of booking the profit early, you can move your stop loss up a little but make sure the trade still has room to breath.

The other problem is that if you have a 50% win ratio but you let your losses run more than your winners assuming standard target and stop, you will over time lose more money.

A good solution is to have a standard stop and target based on back tested price swings so that you know how far to place your target and stop. If you then are able to achieve say a 60% win ratio or higher with equal risk vs reward then over time you will make money. However, for me this is not set in stone. If I see that I need to move my stop a tiny bit more to make sure that the market does not prove my original trade wrong I will do so. If it looks like you need a big stop for a trade then you are not getting long or short at the right place. Also, if I see that my standard target is unlikely to be hit say because price will need to break the high or low of the day, I am willing to lower it a little. Also, you need to determine if you are trading at a good entry point vs chasing price. You need to have patience to wait for your setup.
Wisdom :)
 
Personally.., mental capital is the most valuable I possess (it priceless)

RN

True :)

People think any business needs money first. Actually money is the last one needed. Top to down priorities in business/trading are:
1. Passion/interest
2. Effort/Time
3. Patience
4. Insight
5. Intuition
6. Money... Either ours or borrowed doesnt matter
 
Also the target must always be greater than your SL. Even a 50% win rate will make you profitable with this plan.

There are some myths around succes rate and risk reward ratio. The facts are
1. 50% win rate is actually gambling
2. Professional traders use only edge based strat which gives high win rate
3. 1:1 RR ratio is not bad idea considering the price swings to avoid hit by stoploss

Most importantly strats must have well defined and comprehensive entry/exit rules to handle noises and utilise the edge to the max
 
Professional traders use only edge based strat which gives high win rate



It's when you (so often) use these dogmatic words like "only" and "always" and "must" that you lose all your credibility. That's just untrue. It's wrong.

If you had any real background in professional trading, or knew anything much about it, you'd appreciate that many professional traders actually have fairly low win-rates with very high R multiples.
 
many professional traders actually have fairly low win-rates with very high R multiples.

This approach wont allow traders to scale up their investment and they have to stick to fixed investment which is bearable for loss.

On the other hand a professional trader's strat have scope for scalability of invedtment.

Without scalabity we cant classify it as a business or professional trading. Maybe label it as hobby.
 
Why do traders lose more money on their losing trades than they make on their winning trades?

because without a working method winning for the wannabe-traders is a lucky breakthrough , but loosing is a given as the consistent pattern
 
This approach wont allow traders to scale up their investment and they have to stick to fixed investment which is bearable for loss.

On the other hand a professional trader's strat have scope for scalability of invedtment.

Without scalabity we cant classify it as a business or professional trading. Maybe label it as hobby.
Lol - complete nonsense. :rolleyes:

Ok. Post one such strat. Let elitetrader community know. :)
 
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