Why do people use Volume, Range and Tic charts?

[fearless9]

Quote from marketsurfer:

clever


however, not relevant.

time is a constant, hence the time bars would equate to trading time frame.

constant volume bars is a user chosen variable, with ( i would hope), an ideal volume to form. what is this ideal and why is it ideal for any trading time frame..... but wait--- you don't use time in the formation of the bars only volume-- still waiting for why a certain volume is chosen over another--- what is this the holy grail?? the big secret that one can't divulge??

thank you,

surf

All bars are "user chosen" from time bars to vol to range to tick bars.

If you were a Trader you would know this.

The market cannot see "bars"

All it can see in a highly liquid market are streaming contracts on the bid and ask, and sometimes in between. The variable being the rate at which these contracts are accepted.

Time is also an accepted input, just the same as contracts on the bid and ask, for without these contracts there would be no market and without time the world as we know it would quite simply cease to exist.

People have decided to bundle these contracts together in an effort to find a more concise way of trading other than tape reading.

In the case of "time" a person arbitrarily chooses to create bundles of "n" minutes thus showing the order flow reacts primarily to time above all else.

In the case of "CCVB" a person believes that the orderflow of streaming contracts better represents the true nature of the market and time is secondary to this belief although quite obviously it always exists in our world.
Therefore they bundle in contracts (CCVB)

As for "magic" you are on a trading site Surf, if you want the Disney channel it lies elsewhere.

So far, all you have done is display your appalling ignorance of the markets and how they work, but ironically by doing so, you have helped a few newbies with their learning curve.

regards
f9

 

[marketsurfer]

Quote from fearless9:



In the case of "CCVB" a person believes that the orderflow of streaming contracts better represents the true nature of the market and time is secondary to this belief although quite obviously it always exists in our world.
Therefore they bundle in contracts (CCVB)



regards
f9

thank you. finally, a cogent reply, however my simple question remains unanswered. i am well aware of how markets work but i prefer to trade and view the market with objectively derived parameters with valid reasons--- not my beliefs.

once again, on what basis is a CCVB chosen over another CCVB parameter? surely it isn't arbitrary---right??

surf

 

[Tums]

Quote from version77:

And it shall be asked, what makes a certain time bar to create
a bar superior to another time?...

Quote from marketsurfer:

clever
however, not relevant.

time is a constant, hence the time bars would equate to trading time frame.

constant volume bars is a user chosen variable, with ( i would hope), an ideal volume to form. what is this ideal and why is it ideal for any trading time frame..... but wait--- you don't use time in the formation of the bars only volume-- still waiting for why a certain volume is chosen over another--- what is this the holy grail?? the big secret that one can't divulge??

thank you,

surf

there is no holy grail, thus no answer to your question.

if you could answer version77's question, I am sure you could find answer to your own.

if you found version77's question irrelevant, I am sure you would find your question irrelevant as well.

 

[Tums]

Quote from marketsurfer:

thank you. finally, a cogent reply, however my simple question remains unanswered. i am well aware of how markets work but i prefer to trade and view the market with objectively derived parameters with valid reasons--- not my beliefs.

once again, on what basis is a CCVB chosen over another CCVB parameter? surely it isn't arbitrary---right??

surf

that's because you are a known questionable character on ET.

 

[marketsurfer]

thank you for proving my contention that these methods are subjective and not objective. mission accomplished with the believers own words.


carry on,


surf

 

[marketsurfer]

Quote from Tums:

that's because you are a known character on ET.

thank you.

 

[RedDuke]

Quote from marketsurfer:

thank you for proving my contention that these methods are subjective and not objective. mission accomplished with the believers own words.


carry on,


surf

Hi Surf,

Are you deliberately ignoring the explanations that are provided? The CVB size is subjective to each persons goals/styles, once size is chosen everything else become objective. This is my last response on this question.

redduke

 

[fearless9]

Quote from marketsurfer:

once again, on what basis is a CCVB chosen over another CCVB parameter? surely it isn't arbitrary---right??

surf

I could provide you with an answer that would flow on from my first response.

The reason that I shall not provide it has more to do with eleven years hard graft on my part and the part of my Wife in putting up with me, as it has to do with anything else.

The frame size and it`s accompanying premise are the core of my order flow system and it permits me to trade around eight times each ES morning with very little effort. The guts of the matter lies in the expectancies of the tic range and not surprisingly I suspect that the quants and their fabulous machines would be the first to agree,
since it is all in front of you on your price and T&S screen.

No, my CCVB bar is not arbitrary nor is it the result of trial and error. It is the size that it is by the power of observation followed by reason.

Once upon a time the markets reflected the random outcome of thousands of reasoned Traders.
Today, a small number of strikes account for the bulk of the contracts and they leave behind their big mechanical footprints for all to see.

The clever bit of trading (if there is a clever bit) lies in the Traders original philosophy, after which everything else tends to fall into place.

Most newbies (me included), no make that "especially me included" enter the theatre half way through the programe. ie grab some software and start fiddling with indicators.

The resulting outcome is " I need more discipline" whereas I needed a more reasoned premise upon which to base my trading and this is the place that required the discipline.

As always, make what you will of these scribblings or discard them.

regards
f9

 

[Lamont_C]

Quote from RedDuke:

Hi Surf,

Are you deliberately ignoring the explanations that are provided?

Yes. All this has been explained to him again and again, yet he continues to pose the same questions again and again. Like all failures, he must debunk -- or at least attempt to do so -- the methods of those who are actually successful in order to avoid accepting the fact that his failure is his own fault.

So don't expect his litany of the same old questions to end anytime soon.

LC

 

[marketsurfer]

Quote from fearless9:

I could provide you with an answer that would flow on from my first response.

The reason that I shall not provide it has more to do with eleven years hard graft on my part and the part of my Wife in putting up with me, as it has to do with anything else.

The frame size and it`s accompanying premise are the core of my order flow system and it permits me to trade around eight times each ES morning with very little effort. The guts of the matter lies in the expectancies of the tic range and not surprisingly I suspect that the quants and their fabulous machines would be the first to agree,
since it is all in front of you on your price and T&S screen.

No, my CCVB bar is not arbitrary nor is it the result of trial and error. It is the size that it is by the power of observation followed by reason.

Once upon a time the markets reflected the random outcome of thousands of reasoned Traders.
Today, a small number of strikes account for the bulk of the contracts and they leave behind their big mechanical footprints for all to see.

The clever bit of trading (if there is a clever bit) lies in the Traders original philosophy, after which everything else tends to fall into place.

Most newbies (me included), no make that "especially me included" enter the theatre half way through the programe. ie grab some software and start fiddling with indicators.

The resulting outcome is " I need more discipline" whereas I needed a more reasoned premise upon which to base my trading and this is the place that required the discipline.

As always, make what you will of these scribblings or discard them.

regards
f9

thank you for stepping up to the plate with a reasoned and well stated response. i have little interest in market artists and market wizards with unsubstaniated claims.

your response makes sense, and i understand and respect you not divulging this information that took you work/study to discern.

all the best,

surf