Why do institutional traders have an advantage if any advantage is whittled away by using it?

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CyJackX

I think the colloquial thought is that institutions have advantages against retail traders, but wouldn't any exploitable pattern be quickly arbitrated away by their own actions?

I suppose there could be a significant advantage in discovering the patterns before anybody else does. But competing institutions would quickly negate any shared advantage.
 
Hi CyJackX,

I guess it matters your definition of institutional, what they trade and their needs. If the trading has a high fixed cost, a small account can't handle that. E.G. Fixed costs of $25,000/month would kill any small account and be a small number to an institution with $500mm. A small account trading a strategy without a large fixed cost, can be more nimble, require less liquidity and have an advantage over a larger account.

No easy answer.

Bob
 
several advantages:

- these people are smarter on average. you don't get into Wharton with 2.5 GPAs.
- information - they get better information from people closer to the real source. The public gets from media, which leads to:
- media tool - institutions can manipulate media, by persuading the public to act on their agenda;

these advantages are perpetual... we are not talking about some chart pattern that may only work for a few months.
 
CyJackX said:
but wouldn't any exploitable pattern be quickly arbitrated away by their own actions?

I suppose there could be a significant advantage in discovering the patterns before anybody else does. But competing institutions would quickly negate any shared advantage.
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Position limit on ES is 140,000 contracts i think.
If the trading strategy is long term lets say 200pt+ stop loss.
Even a 140K lot position is not going to effect the market that much to enter and exit relative to your stop size.
 
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Robert Morse said:
That is an enormous trade that would likely never happen.
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Even for a large institution?

But that was sort of my point, some of the biggest markets are so large, even the largest funds cant trade at the max permitted size over a longish time horizon. The risk is too much even for them.
 
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CyJackX said:
I think the colloquial thought is that institutions have advantages against retail traders, but wouldn't any exploitable pattern be quickly arbitrated away by their own actions?

I suppose there could be a significant advantage in discovering the patterns before anybody else does. But competing institutions would quickly negate any shared advantage.
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Their advantages involves many other variables that has nothing to do with patterns. Thus, they will always have those advantages over retail traders.

wrbtrader
 
wrbtrader said:
Their advantages involves many other variables that has nothing to do with patterns. Thus, they will always have those advantages over retail traders.

wrbtrader
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Now, is that advantage OVER the retailers or AGAINST the retailers? The way I see it, it's all against the market. Institutions are often portrayed as adversarial.
 
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