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Why Do Employers Seek ANY H-1B Worker Visas?
- Thread starter El Guapo
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I cannot agree. Of course, as the saying goes, "your mileage may vary"; holds true with foreign workers.
However, this will all be very interesting as this country begins its immigration reform. All of these "lost" jobs will most likley get filled with our newest "legalized" citizens. The repubs let them in, and now the dems will make them legal. When the H1-B's start complaining that their salaries are being undercut by "immigrants". Ha!
However, this will all be very interesting as this country begins its immigration reform. All of these "lost" jobs will most likley get filled with our newest "legalized" citizens. The repubs let them in, and now the dems will make them legal. When the H1-B's start complaining that their salaries are being undercut by "immigrants". Ha!
Quote from Brandonf:
The last few months I don't really have any room to bitch about someone who is inconsistent, doesnt nessisarily have the best work ethic in the world (Cant spell?) etc..but I will say that in my general experience of having had both American's and Foreigners work for me, I'd much rather have the foreigners. The American's as a group feel entitled and are a cancer on your business. The Indians and Philippinos on the other hand who I have hired feel the need every single day to prove to you that you have hired the right person.
It pains me to say this because I would much rather hire an American, I'd rather hire them at five times the cost. But, when I can get an MBA from India for $5.00 an hour that outworks anyone I've ever hired in the US, and doesnt make my business look bad to customers, then I keep doing it. I assume other business have found the same thing.
Brandon
Quote from Brandonf:
The last few months I don't really have any room to bitch about someone who is inconsistent, doesnt nessisarily have the best work ethic in the world (Cant spell?) etc..but I will say that in my general experience of having had both American's and Foreigners work for me, I'd much rather have the foreigners. The American's as a group feel entitled and are a cancer on your business. The Indians and Philippinos on the other hand who I have hired feel the need every single day to prove to you that you have hired the right person.
It pains me to say this because I would much rather hire an American, I'd rather hire them at five times the cost. But, when I can get an MBA from India for $5.00 an hour that outworks anyone I've ever hired in the US, and doesnt make my business look bad to customers, then I keep doing it. I assume other business have found the same thing.
Brandon
You are right. Americans feel like they are entitled to everything. They want a nice fat salary, bonuses, health insurance, dental insurance, 401k with matching, pension, disability and life insurance, company car, and 8 weeks vacation. So of course companies will go to cheaper parts of the world, because they give them $2 an hour and that's it, no other benefits. If all companies here in the U.S. stopped giving any benefits, people would still work, otherwise they would starve.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/business/12immig.html
âWe are watching the decline and fall of the United States as an economic power â not hypothetically, but as we speak,â said Craig R. Barrett, the chairman of Intel.
Mr. Barrett blames a slouching education system that cannot be easily fixed, but he says a stopgap measure would be to let companies hire more foreign engineers.
âWe are watching the decline and fall of the United States as an economic power â not hypothetically, but as we speak,â said Craig R. Barrett, the chairman of Intel.
Mr. Barrett blames a slouching education system that cannot be easily fixed, but he says a stopgap measure would be to let companies hire more foreign engineers.
That's a complete bullshit theory, and only a tool would recite it with a straight face.Quote from 426653478:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/business/12immig.html
âWe are watching the decline and fall of the United States as an economic power â not hypothetically, but as we speak,â said Craig R. Barrett, the chairman of Intel.
Mr. Barrett blames a slouching education system that cannot be easily fixed, but he says a stopgap measure would be to let companies hire more foreign engineers.
The only thing these guys care about is their bottom-line, they'd throw their mother under the bus, sell their wives and ship their kids off to indentured servitude for another quarter worth of profits.
That is in fact exactly what they are doing with the H-1B Visa phenomena ... but a little known fact is that all jobs which are essentially intellectural property can be outsourced, so they can get rid of these fat-ass executivess as well as the worker bees.
Like I said, complete bullshit, and you can quote me on it ... they should retitle the H-1B Visas as "the selling of America".
this is true legalized prostitution
Quote from MandelbrotSet:
That's a complete bullshit theory, and only a tool would recite it with a straight face.
The only thing these guys care about is their bottom-line, they'd throw their mother under the bus, sell their wives and ship their kids off to indentured servitude for another quarter worth of profits.
That is in fact exactly what they are doing with the H-1B Visa phenomena ... but a little known fact is that all jobs which are essentially intellectural property can be outsourced, so they can get rid of these fat-ass executivess as well as the worker bees.
Like I said, complete bullshit, and you can quote me on it ... they should retitle the H-1B Visas as "the selling of America".
this is true legalized prostitution
Whats the answer?
Say you shutdown H1-Bs
Then foreign companies will hire them and prosper.
You can't have it both ways.
People don't want illegal immigration and they don't want legal immigration.
But they want their unlimited pensions.
Quote from Brandonf:
But, when I can get an MBA from India for $5.00 an hour that outworks anyone I've ever hired in the US, and doesnt make my business look bad to customers, then I keep doing it. I assume other business have found the same thing.
Anyone who says this, I have to say BULLSHIT.
You're not going to get an Indian MBA for $5.00 an hour. Not a real MBA. What you will get is some semi-retarded guy from an Indian village who got his MBA in a couple months by writing a "research paper".
Any Indian who got a real MBA will either aim for the going salary or will go to top bidders in Mumbai. And it's not $5.00/hour or even $10.00. Also, considering that this type of individual is the higher end of the Indian working force, they are still vastly inferior to the higher end of the American working force.
At the end of the day, you get what you pay for. And even with the labor cost disparities, that adage still holds true.
Quote from Anaconda:
Anyone who says this, I have to say BULLSHIT.
You're not going to get an Indian MBA for $5.00 an hour. Not a real MBA. What you will get is some semi-retarded guy from an Indian village who got his MBA in a couple months by writing a "research paper".
Any Indian who got a real MBA will either aim for the going salary or will go to top bidders in Mumbai. And it's not $5.00/hour or even $10.00. Also, considering that this type of individual is the higher end of the Indian working force, they are still vastly inferior to the higher end of the American working force.
At the end of the day, you get what you pay for. And even with the labor cost disparities, that adage still holds true.
Agreed. There is a reason so many Indians want to go to school in the US. Comparing an Indian MBA to a US College MBA is just absurd. Hell, they even clamor to get into the University of Phoenix programs....
Quote from Anaconda:
Anyone who says this, I have to say BULLSHIT.
You're not going to get an Indian MBA for $5.00 an hour. Not a real MBA. What you will get is some semi-retarded guy from an Indian village who got his MBA in a couple months by writing a "research paper".
Any Indian who got a real MBA will either aim for the going salary or will go to top bidders in Mumbai. And it's not $5.00/hour or even $10.00. Also, considering that this type of individual is the higher end of the Indian working force, they are still vastly inferior to the higher end of the American working force.
At the end of the day, you get what you pay for. And even with the labor cost disparities, that adage still holds true.
You can disagree with me all you want, but I have hired both and with one exception I've always been happier with the work ethic and quality of the Indian or Philipinno's (Indians more so then Philipinnos btw, but both are very good).
You are correct that I'm not going to get a guy with 20 years experience for $5 an hour (that will cost me about $12 to $20, and btw for about $16 to $25 an hour you can get guys who went to Ivy League schools in the US but have moved back to India)
The quality of the top Indian Business and schools and engineering schools for programmers is very good. I wish as much as anyone that it was not the case, that I could hire American's and not worry about them making my company look like shit, but it just doesnt happen very often. Maybe it's because I'm not a great manager (I'm not) and Americans need more oversight, I dont know..but anyway that is my experience and that is what you can get for the prices I have listed.
Brandon