Why Can’t We Talk About the Murder Wave?

[Tony Stark]

That's a finding

Thats what courts do

 

[ipatent]

Thats what courts do

If there was no injunction against stop and frisk, NYPD was free to continue.

 

[Tony Stark]

As the chart demonstrates stop, question & frisk was scaled back under political pressure in New Ypork City -- but still is regularly used. It is not "unconstitutional".

 

[Tony Stark]

If there was no injunction against stop and frisk, NYPD was free to continue.

"New York City can move forward with a court-ordered overhaul of the police tactic known as stop and frisk after a federal appeals court Friday rejected an attempt by police unions to block the changes."

 

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If this all happened before 2014, why did you cite the 90% black and brown people from 2017? Obviously, there was no injunction. The issue was probably whether NYPD has to produce written guidelines.

 

[ipatent]

"New York City can move forward with a court-ordered overhaul of the police tactic known as stop and frisk after a federal appeals court Friday rejected an attempt by police unions to block the changes."

This language is not from a court decision.

 

[Tony Stark]

And yet as outlined in the article I posted stop, question & frisk is still being regularly used in 2021 in New York City. Explain to us how -- if this has been ruled "unconstitutional".

They went from over 500,000 stops per year to 13,000 stops per year.You figure it out.

 

[ipatent]

They went from over 500,000 stops per year to 13,000 stops per year.You figure it out.

If there was an injunction it would have dropped to zero.

 

[Tony Stark]

This language is not from a court decision.

"On August 12, 2013, Judge Scheindlin ruled that the police department had violated the Fourth Amendment by conducting unreasonable searches and the Fourteenth Amendment by systematically conducting stops and frisks in a racially discriminatory manner.[8]"

 

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"On August 12, 2013, Judge Scheindlin ruled that the police department had violated the Fourth Amendment by conducting unreasonable searches and the Fourteenth Amendment by systematically conducting stops and frisks in a racially discriminatory manner.[8]"

The ruling means nothing without an injunction or other remedy. All we have from you so far is that she ordered a written policy.