Why Can’t We Talk About the Murder Wave?

[Tony Stark]

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that stop, question, & frisk is completely constitutional in the case I cited earlier (Terry vs. Ohio 392 US 1). Case closed. All the NYC-related court ruling did in regards to stop, question & frisk is appoint an independent monitor to oversee the implementation of the policy within the city.

Terry and NYPD stop and frisk are not the same

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that stop, question, & frisk is constitutional is there is reasonable probable cause.Federal Courts found that too many NYPD stops were done without reasonable probable cause

 

[Tony Stark]

Which two federal courts?

In Floyd v. City of New York, decided on August 12, 2013, US District Court Judge Shira Scheindlin ruled that stop-and-frisk had been used in an unconstitutional manner and directed the police to adopt a written policy to specify where such stops are authorized



On November 9, 2013, the city asked a federal appeals court to vacate Scheindlin's orders.[34][35] On November 22, 2013, the federal appellate court rejected the city's motion for a stay of the judge's orders.


On July 30, 2014, Southern District Court Judge Analisa Torres denied the police unions' motions to intervene and granted the proposed modification of the District Court's August 2013 remedial decision.[33][37] A week later, the City of New York filed a motion to withdraw its appeal.[37] On August 13, 2014, the Second Circuit announced the cases would be argued on October 15, 2014.[33][38] On October 31, a three-judge panel on the Second Circuit unanimously ruled against the unions and allowed the city to proceed with its overhaul of the police department.[39]

 

[ipatent]

In Floyd v. City of New York, decided on August 12, 2013, US District Court Judge Shira Scheindlin ruled that stop-and-frisk had been used in an unconstitutional manner and directed the police to adopt a written policy to specify where such stops are authorized



On November 9, 2013, the city asked a federal appeals court to vacate Scheindlin's orders.[34][35] On November 22, 2013, the federal appellate court rejected the city's motion for a stay of the judge's orders.


On July 30, 2014, Southern District Court Judge Analisa Torres denied the police unions' motions to intervene and granted the proposed modification of the District Court's August 2013 remedial decision.[33][37] A week later, the City of New York filed a motion to withdraw its appeal.[37] On August 13, 2014, the Second Circuit announced the cases would be argued on October 15, 2014.[33][38] On October 31, a three-judge panel on the Second Circuit unanimously ruled against the unions and allowed the city to proceed with its overhaul of the police department.[39]

So all Judge Scheindlin ordered was that they have a written policy?

 

[Tony Stark]

So all Judge Scheindlin ordered was that they have a written policy?

You have a reading comprehension problem

 

[ipatent]

You have a reading comprehension problem

That's all your post mentioned.

 

[Tony Stark]

That's all your post mentioned.

"US District Court Judge Shira Scheindlin ruled that stop-and-frisk had been used in an unconstitutional manner"

 

[ipatent]

US District Court Judge Shira Scheindlin ruled that stop-and-frisk had been used in an unconstitutional manner

That's a finding, not an order.

 

[Tony Stark]

That's a finding, not an order.

 

[gwb-trading]

Terry and NYPD stop and frisk are not the same

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that stop, question, & frisk is constitutional is there is reasonable probable cause.Federal Courts found that too many NYPD stops were done without reasonable probable cause

And yet as outlined in the article I posted stop, question & frisk is still being regularly used in 2021 in New York City. Explain to us how -- if this has been ruled "unconstitutional".

 

[gwb-trading]

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As the chart demonstrates stop, question & frisk was scaled back under political pressure in New Ypork City -- but still is regularly used. It is not "unconstitutional".