Why cant I open a futures account ? WTF ?

Quote from neveral0ne:

.....But what does my credit history have to do with opening a futures account founded with my own cash ?

Everything if your firm requires it.

Brokers and the whole trading world does lots of things I don't understand or agree with. But, it is what it is.
 
only thing that futures have over stock is the LEVERAGE but the leverage is double edge sword.


These brokers know the stats on new traders trading futures...stocks is way easier than futures.


unless you have paper test and disciplined about your futures trading..don't bother with futures until you do. you make fast money with futures, but you can lose fast on futures...it's a zeros sume game with futures.


futures have a high risk of total account wiped out just from the brokerage statistics of new accounts so they don't want anyone in the street or in debt with loan sharks if they blow up their account.


another thing is new financial regulation on leverage and futures like tax,,,if that goes through,,futures isn't feasible anymore

Quote from neveral0ne:

I've had a retail TD Ameritrade account for over 2 years now ( opened when I was 23) However I want to day trade, and I wanted to open a low-cap futures account, but every broker I Apply to rejects my application because of some stupid reasons, last one was because my SSN did not make the "credit report". I dont work right now, thats why I am tryin to make some progress/learning making money trading more ( I traded prop for 5 months and stocks for 1.5 years). however I cant day trade sinec my stock account is under 25k.

What am I supposed to be writing down on the applications to open a futures account ? I got rejected by some of the reputable firms that advertise on this site, and I am running out of choices quickly. Its not like Im asking to use their money or something I am funding my own account with cash so wtf is the problem ?
 
Quote from financialmarket:


futures have a high risk of total account wiped out just from the brokerage statistics of new accounts so they don't want anyone in the street or in debt with loan sharks if they blow up their account.

Do you read what you type?

A Broker Dealer could give a rat's ass what happens to you or your money bro!
 
Quote from neveral0ne:

Well Ill be honest - i dont even HAVE credit history because I never ever had a credit card lol, never thought about the need for one - since debit cards always all I needed.

I actually tried applying for a credit card 6 months ago adn recently and got rejected as well.


But what does my credit history have to do with opening a futures account founded with my own cash ?

Maybe being turned down on that credit card application resulted in a negative on your credit rating?

Maybe you could opened a stock trading account with a broker that offers a universal account and add futures trading to your account after trading stocks for a few weeks? MB Trading and Interactive Brokers are two brokers with universal accounts.
 
the financial regulators do care and that is why his account application denied...the compliance dept won't approve the account.

if he lies in his application about his income or net worth, than the broker isn't liable have problems with regulators.

also, your broker has your trader profile on file. and know exactly how much profit or loss you have with them


Quote from Surdo:

Do you read what you type?

A Broker Dealer could give a rat's ass what happens to you or your money bro!
 
Make sue you dont lie with IB Cause they will ask you for prrog like you pay check 1099 or K1
For you to trade future with IB you have to make atleast $40 K a month
 
Quote from ksonsinc:

For you to trade future with IB you have to make atleast $40 K a month


lol :D Yeah you have to make half a million dollars a year to go long 1 ES contract. Where do you guys get this stuff?
 
Quote from ksonsinc:

Make sue you dont lie with IB Cause they will ask you for prrog like you pay check 1099 or K1
For you to trade future with IB you have to make atleast $40 K a month

I have opened many accounts since 1972 and I have never had a broker ask for anything beyond what I put on the applications I filled out to open the accounts.
 
Im not a total noobie, I understand risk vs reward, I trade with stop losses, I learned alot from my previous mistakes.

THe only reason I applied for a CREDIT CARD was to "build credit" instead of using my debit card all the time and getting nowhere. UNfortunately I was denied a credit card 7 months ago, and I tried about 2 weeks ago too, and was denied ( it was even from the same bank as my debit card) - so idk how the fuck to build a credit history if nobody wants to give me a card. its not like I need the credit card - just the history to develop.

2 years ago I opened a ameritrade account with no knowledge whatsoever of the market, or any other compliance issues without a problem , now I cant even open anything this is soo lame.
 
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