Why Bitcoin when you have gold?

That may seem less of a hassle BUT it also means there's no verification they have the amount of gold/silver they claim to have.
The Madoff ponzi scheme went on for decades.
So imagine you bought $1M worth of gold as a retirement and figured you'd just use it up slowly as you made purchases. Then 10 years later your card gets denied after you've spent ~$500K. You contact the holder of your gold and find out it was a ponzi scheme. They used half of your gold ($500K) to make your payments and they stole the other $500K you gave them rather than buying $1M worth of gold.

Not saying this is likely but if they're not regulated, what certainty do you have they're holding your $1M in gold?
This is my concern, honestly. Madoff is a perfect risk example everyone coulda-shoulda seen from the outside but trusted from the inside until the collapse.
Also, in my younger years I had crossed path with unsavory characters whose entire existence was based on scams, which made them excessively cash rich. I'd learned that their biggest project was to lease vaults from under a reputable stock exchange and promote themselves as a non bank, secured vault for gold deposits. Their intention was simply to wait a few years, empty the vault and disappear....I don't know if they ever succeeded, only that they had to leave Europe quickly.

But, assuming it is not a scam, the reason I shared this is because clearly, before BTC or as a result of BTC, some in the gold industry devised ways to turn the metal into a alternative payment method, not so much as a way to bypass government regulations and taxation (although the latter may be), but as a way to stem inflationary pressure on currencies, also a primary goal of the Bitcoin community.

From my understanding, the holding entity isn't storing gold bars but gold coins, purchased/traded around the world. I really don't know how the payment mechanism works, but they clearly have to track clients expenses against their gold holdings. They must also have charge limits and approval thresholds. I don't know what their processing charge is, but the last 10 years inflation has been atrocious while gold has shot through the roof so if this is legit, it's an interesting proposition.
 
Gold and silver owned through bonded warehouse in Switzerland...this structure is as old as time. There are countless services added to this trade such as using it as collateral for your credit card, savings plans, etc.

To be honest @VicBee I do not understand your question in this context: Do you think these service providers work for free? You're losing ~3% in bid/offer spread for trading physical bullion, 1% of your net value each year for the bonded warehouse plus additional fees for the services. I guess your buddy kills 5% of his net worth each year just in fees.

In many of the EU countries bullion is subject to VAT so people think they're smart as they avoid the tax but in the end it's just a massive fee hover. It's a saying that if the wind is right and you open a window in Frankfurt you can hear the owners of Geneva Free Ports & Warehouses laugh at the gold bugs.

So it's an insanely stupid trade, really...not just compared to BTC (can be traded almost for free and transferred in an instant without middlemen to any place in the world) but compared to every other trade you can do.




Every purchase or sale of bullion above 2000 € has to be registered. You have to bring your personal data as well as your passport with you. In addition to that, every "suspicious" transaction has to be reported to the FIU by the bullion dealer. So if you think you can hide in gold so your government cannot confiscate your assets...they know exactly where every ounce is.
Gold doesn't crash 20% but it also doesn't pump 20%. If you're scared of the volatility of BTC, just hedge it with derivatives and you'll even get yield from that.
Our posts cross but your explanation works for me. If their fee is 5% it's still reasonable at a time of high inflation and the doubling price of gold.

To clarify, this is the doings of an elderly lady who's been buying gold all these years expecting the collapse of the banking system, feeding on online paranoia. In the end, she's done quite well with it.
 
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Every purchase or sale of bullion above 2000 € has to be registered. You have to bring your personal data as well as your passport with you. In addition to that, every "suspicious" transaction has to be reported to the FIU by the bullion dealer. So if you think you can hide in gold so your government cannot confiscate your assets...they know exactly where every ounce is.
Gold doesn't crash 20% but it also doesn't pump 20%. If you're scared of the volatility of BTC, just hedge it with derivatives and you'll even get yield from that.
Well, in the US you have to declare if you own any crypto, as far as I remember. Gold (physical) has its own problems, but you don’t have to declare it until you sell it. My point is that there is no perfection in the world :)
 
I'm not going to read all of this. Gold is absolutely useless for anything other than jewelry at this point. What is being discussed can be done with Bitcoin. I think on crypto.com you can get a Bitcoin credit card that will deduct purchases from your crypto assets.
 
I'm not going to read all of this. Gold is absolutely useless for anything other than jewelry at this point. What is being discussed can be done with Bitcoin. I think on crypto.com you can get a Bitcoin credit card that will deduct purchases from your crypto assets.
Couldn't the opposite hold true as well? Why use BTC with its wild value swings when you can buy and pay from stored gold with a credit card?
 
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