Why arguments and debates about God and religion are fruitless

Quote from Free Thinker:

wow you are a piece of work. all you have to do is listen to the video where he says in the first 40 seconds that he does not believe the universe was designed by intelligence.
has your indoctrination given you a mental block?
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wow - you do not comprehend what you hear. try again. do some reading.

its very hard to make close minded atheists accept science.


"Not one to despair over lemons, Susskind finds lemonade in that insane-sounding result. He proposes that those 10 (to the) 500 possibilities represent not a flaw in string theory but a profound insight into the nature of reality. Each potential model, he suggests, corresponds to an actual place - another universe as real as our own. In the spirit of kooky science and good science fiction, he coins new names to go with these new possibilities. He calls the enormous range of environments governed by all the possible laws of physics the "Landscape." The near-infinite collection of pocket universes described by those various laws becomes the "megaverse."

Susskind eagerly embraces the megaverse interpretation because it offers a way to blow right through the intelligent design challenge. If every type of universe exists, there is no need to invoke God (or an unknown master theory of physics) to explain why one of them ended up like ours. "


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/15/books/review/15powell.html
 
Quote from Ricter:

I feel a nice knee next to mine under the table. I believe it's my wife's knee. The owner informs me it is not!

True story. ; )
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Ummm we are not talking about feeling as in the sense of feel...
 
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Quote from bigarrow:

;) No shit Sherlock.
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And you have no proof there isn't a God. Like me, all you have is an opinion. I know, I know, you have that really smart guy in the wheel chair in your camp. It's nice to know the whole creation of the universe thing can be resolved by one guy. We can't make a fucking car that get's decent mileage, but creating a universe, no problem. Little of this, little of that, add a big ass explosion and viola, life springs upon us. All of it coming from nothing of course. It just kinda' happens all by itself. Sorry, you'll have to do better than that.
 
Quote from CaptainObvious:

And you have no proof there isn't a God. Like me, all you have is an opinion. I know, I know, you have that really smart guy in the wheel chair in your camp. It's nice to know the whole creation of the universe thing can be resolved by one guy. We can't make a fucking car that get's decent mileage, but creating a universe, no problem. Little of this, little of that, add a big ass explosion and viola, life springs upon us. All of it coming from nothing of course. It just kinda' happens all by itself. Sorry, you'll have to do better than that.
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I know, of course the Universe could not come about from nothing, but a make believe magical cloud fairy that came about from nothing, made the universe from nothing.
Is that it?
 
Quote from CaptainObvious:

And you have no proof there isn't a God. Like me, all you have is an opinion. I know, I know, you have that really smart guy in the wheel chair in your camp. It's nice to know the whole creation of the universe thing can be resolved by one guy. We can't make a fucking car that get's decent mileage, but creating a universe, no problem. Little of this, little of that, add a big ass explosion and viola, life springs upon us. All of it coming from nothing of course. It just kinda' happens all by itself. Sorry, you'll have to do better than that.
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Has anyone ever seen god? It is a widely held belief that unicorns don't exist. Nobody has ever seen a unicorn, so nobody believes in them. Why do people believe in god?

Whole creation of the universe being resolved by one guy? There are thousands of scientists that have worked/are working on these theories, not just Hawking...
 
Quote from stu:

I know, of course the Universe could not come about from nothing, but a make believe magical cloud fairy that came about from nothing, made the universe from nothing.
Is that it?
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What I'm saying, for the umpteenth time, is that one story is as ridiculous as the other, which leads us to the OP's conclusion that these discussions are fruitless. I'm a believer, but open to other ideas. If the only other idea you guys can come up with is the something from nothing theory, I remain unconvinced that you have anything other than a theory which has a whole lot of holes in it, just like the creationist theory.
 
Quote from CaptainObvious:

What I'm saying, for the umpteenth time, is that one story is as ridiculous as the other, which leads us to the OP's conclusion that these discussions are fruitless. I'm a believer, but open to other ideas. If the only other idea you guys can come up with is the something from nothing theory, I remain unconvinced that you have anything other than a theory which has a whole lot of holes in it, just like the creationist theory.
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....except that the laws of physics allow for a universe from nothing, whether you believe them or not.
 
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