why are traders ugly and fat?

[Warrior4g]

the dieretics did him in,not parabolan. the kidney effects on parabolan are/were exaggerated. in fact there is'nt any evidence that supports kidney problems with para. i used REAL para back in 96 and it was great. my friend was stationed in europe and had a german doc write him a scripts and they accepted it in France. i swear,its true. he also got permastril(materon).

 

[atticus]

Quote from enforcer99:

the dieretics did him in,not parabolan. the kidney effects on parabolan are/were exaggerated. in fact there is'nt any evidence that supports kidney problems with para. i used REAL para back in 96 and it was great. my friend was stationed in europe and had a german doc write him a scripts and they accepted it in France. i swear,its true. he also got permastril(materon).

Go ask Rob Schuh what killed his kidneys. Oh yeah, you survived it so it must be benign. FWIW, I've done tren and know enough not to risk renal failure, whatever the MoA happens to be.

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from atticus:

My mistake. DIM has been shown promise as an apoptotic-agent and as a chemopreventive.

So then it's a good thing. Is this "natural" supplement something you might consider as a safer (if perhaps weaker?) alternative to some of the pharmaceutical alternatives?

 

[atticus]

Quote from Thunderdog:

So then it's a good thing. Is this "natural" supplement something you might consider as a safer (if perhaps weaker?)alternative to some of the pharmaceutical alternatives?

Sure, it looks fine. I have no idea as to it's effectiveness. I'd suggest some transdermal resveratrol as well.

 

[I-Deviant]

Quote from atticus:

The only orals I would take are legit pharmas; Anavar or Turinabol. I won't do anything that hasn't been vetted by years of clinical results.

In any event, IBE's first batch of Epistane had a very suspicious mass number. IOW, it was pure tren-base. The legit methyl is essentially useless as an anabolic.

Exception to my earlier comment: the only non pharma oral I would touch is supergear. No source checks please; I can't get my hands on any.

Yeah I agree with you there...I heard the same thing. That methyl 1T that came out a while back was supposedly a steroid that was developed a couple decades ago and basically pigeonholed....my guess is because it was pretty nasty stuff.....Then, viola' it is released as an OTC supplement....

Something to consider for those looking for OTC stuff. Not contradicting myself in regards to my Epistane post, as I meant only to pass along what had been said to me by someone else who had used it.

I second the comment on Tbol, by the way. Atticus. Do I ever.

 

[Warrior4g]

no parabolan is not a "natural" product. it was a very strong androgen that was discontinued in 1997 and produced by Negma Labs in France. in my experience anything natural does'nt work and if it does,the fda steps in and clssifies it a drug.

 

[Bigpipn]

Quote from atticus:

The only orals I would take are legit pharmas; Anavar or Turinabol. I won't do anything that hasn't been vetted by years of clinical results.

In any event, IBE's first batch of Epistane had a very suspicious mass number. IOW, it was pure tren-base. The legit methyl is essentially useless as an anabolic.

Exception to my earlier comment: the only non pharma oral I would touch is supergear. No source checks please; I can't get my hands on any.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2230941

 

[Bigpipn]

Quote from enforcer99:

no parabolan is not a "natural" product. it was a very strong androgen that was discontinued in 1997 and produced by Negma Labs in France. in my experience anything natural does'nt work and if it does,the fda steps in and clssifies it a drug.

Parabolan was nothing more than Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate.. You can buy trenbolone acetate pellets from the feed store and convert it into an inj w/ an aromatherapy kit. Trenbolone isn't hard to get or find with a little patience at an AAS based forum.

Look at its profile add up the pros and cons and hopefully you'll come to the conclusion that it's not worth it.

 

[atticus]

Quote from I, Deviant:

Yeah I agree with you there...I heard the same thing. That methyl 1T that came out a while back was supposedly a steroid that was developed a couple decades ago and basically pigeonholed....my guess is because it was pretty nasty stuff.....Then, viola' it is released as an OTC supplement....

Something to consider for those looking for OTC stuff. Not contradicting myself in regards to my Epistane post, as I meant only to pass along what had been said to me by someone else who had used it.

I second the comment on Tbol, by the way. Atticus. Do I ever.

Yeah, the first batch of Epi produced decent results while Havoc [another Epi clone] was basically worthless. Little did they know at the time they were taking a progestin that was marketed as cure for gynecomastia.

 

[I-Deviant]

Quote from atticus:

Yeah, the first batch of Epi produced decent results while Havoc [another Epi clone] was basically worthless. Little did they know at the time they were taking a progestin that was marketed as cure for gynecomastia.

Ouch.