Why are some people still refusing to get Covid vaccine?

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1431538493172469764

Here is one more finding that most people with simple common sense already knew. That the human body has the means to heal and protect itself from diseases if allowed to. Instead, experimental drugs (vaccines) are deemed the best way to control the Corona Virus? What happened to natural herd immunity? It simply vanished according to extreme liberal hacks including, those in the medical community. ET trolls like to copy and paste those bogus articles written by other extreme liberal idiots like them. So now, they cannot stop the delta variant and simply, blaming it on the unvaccinated instead, of blaming themselves for pushing widespread vaccination?

https://teamtuckercarlson.com/news/...re-effective-than-vaccines-at-stopping-delta/

 

[themickey]

15 December 2020
How COVID-19 is changing the cold and flu season
Measures meant to tame the coronavirus pandemic are quashing influenza and most other respiratory diseases, which could have wide-ranging implications......

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03519-3

 

[cesfx]

did you vax? Sounds like you did despite gov. hysterics.

Wrong. But not because I am a covidiot, or I believe that drinking bleach will cure it.

I am just waiting for more fragile and poorer people and nations to go first. The world is still at about 30% cover and the virus is not a nationalist. We might have to take this jab for a long time to come every year...

I am also waiting for government measures and campaign to stop breaking my balls.

There is no rush for me individually, I am not travelling or even working at 100%. Fragile group in my family have, of course. And I have not visited them (abroad), as unvaxed, until they did.

 

[wrbtrader]

I am ceasing sponsorship of this forum effective immediately if turveyd is not permanently deleted.

I refuse to sponsor a venue that permits covid deniers a platform to endanger public safety.

Ken,

I've seen others debate about this issue before and they use the argument against "censorship" or they should be allowed to have an intellectual debate.

The issue is this...the forum already has censorship via its Terms of Use Policy (TOU). Just as importantly, Baron and the moderators do in fact censor members when they violate the TOU policy.

In addition, there's censorship in many other ways such as moving a thread out of the trading section into the chit chat section or here in the political thread section because of idiots hijacking the threads with off topic debates / arguments / personal attacks that have absolutely nothing to do with the OP's thread topic.

• Seriously, someone starts a thread on Technical Analysis...others show up to argue about Politics, Covid Pandemic, Personal Attacks, Latest Fuck with Prostitutes...the thread gets moved here into the Political section or maybe even Chit Chat in the old days.

Here's the thing...another sponsor started a thread in the Economics section under the title of Covid. Soon the same Covidiots showed up to flex their wings and quickly take the thread off-topic with their arguments and personal attacks against those that didn't agree with them.

Thread in question @ https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/the-coronavirus-is-here-forever.361067/page-17#post-5447143

• Strangely, the thread is briefly moved here into the Political thread section. It was briefly here although I'm not sure how long...maybe a few hours. Maybe it was moved back into the Economic section because the sponsor didn't like his thread being moved but I only say that because I didn't see any messages from the sponsor complaining about the off topic / hijacking of his thread.

It's possible I'm making a mistake and the above thread was never moved from the Economic section to here in the Political section.

Anyways, the off topic / hijacking of the trading threads is an ongoing problem I've noticed and have complained about such a few times. These Covidiots are being allowed to ad nauseam to pollute the trading threads with their anti-Covid, anti-vaccine, anti-Biden, racist sarcasm, and so on...all outside of the Political threads.

• Worst, the Covidiots then complain about censorship if someone asks publicly for someone to do something about it. Regardless, this forum already has a long history of censoring members when trading discussions are constantly being hijack by discussions that should be placed in the Political section.

With that said, a few days later, I personally sent a complaint about the Economic thread (link above)...a few more days later...the thread has once again been moved back here into the Political thread section.

Regardless, of what was occurring in that particular thread...I've seen members get banned for violation of the TOU policy. I've seen members get banned for constantly (repeatedly) hijacking threads for their own agenda to disrupt or raise hell here at the forum.

I've seen members get banned for making threats at this forum to hurt other members.

• Turveyd has done all the above even if I've sent screenshot verification...the guy is allowed to continue the bullshit. I just can not figure out why he in particular has been allowed to do all of the above in the trading related threads.

Only yesterday, after all the complaints, I've seen Baron publicly let Turveyd know that his conversations are NOT trading related. In my opinion, I don't have a problem with that but the issue with me is that they were occurring in the trading related threads.

It's mindboggling and it reminds me of a few other members (names not mentioned) that were allowed to do such until it takes one magical message post of a TOU violation when the obvious had been ignored for so long. Just as strange...they were given only a temporary ban (not permanent).

My point, the issue is that this has been occurring in the trading threads and it has absolutely nothing to do with trading, Wall Street, Economics, Technical Analysis, Trading Psychology, Trade Journal... it's all bullshit that's suppose to be posted in the Political threads.

• A month from now, these Covidiots will deny ever posting their bullshit in the trading threads. It's why I sometimes make screenshots of their message posts in the trading threads.

Hey, I get it, its Baron's forum and there's a warning here in the Political thread that basically states do not enter if you can't handle the discussions.

Unfortunately, some of these threads like the most recent Economic thread began in the Economic section and someone did in fact...eventually saw a problem and moved that thread here into the Political thread section.

Ken, simply, you're right but it doesn't look like you're going to get what you want and he'll most likely continue hijacking trading threads with Covid misinformation.

wrbtrader

 

[Van_der_Voort_4]

Here is the analysis.

Data shows 95% of 5,000,000 U.S. people in ICU had pre existing conditions / co morbidity.

Then add in age as big factor.

Then know the stats also say 96 percent in ICU had vitamin D deficiency per CDC study shared here.

Other studies show sufficient D may prevent infection and severe symptoms.

Natural immunity 13 fold better than vaccine immunity.

Consistent exercise also may help prevent symptoms.

And let's say your last cold was 20 years ago, and you work out everyday. You go to beach lot and started water sports again. And family members already had covid....

You really going to risk all that for a temporary spike in your antibodies...which may hook you into needing boosters for life?

I respect your decision making...for you...especially if you may have a compromised immune system...but I know the high risk vaccinated are potentially a bigger risk during a pandemic than the low risk. So keep your moral judgements suspended until we have a few years worth of data.

 

[wrbtrader]

It does not matter if someone that's hospitalized with a severe Covid illness have pre-existing other health problems...what matters is that most in the United States that are hospitalized with a Covid illness are WITHOUT VACCINATION.

• These are the very vulnerable people because of their pre-existing health problems that should have been smart and gotten vaccinated to prevent hospitalization, ICU admission or Death.

The below chart is only just until July 1st. The August chart data will soon be released and its much worst accordingly to the state level data that the Delta Variant is causing chaos in the U.S. south.

• Simply, those not vaccinated are getting their ass kicked big time by the Delta Variant.

wrbtrader

 

[Scataphagos]

Help me understand... why do some people still refuse to get vaccinated? There's no widespread major side effects. And this virus is deadly, killing so many.

And it's not just dumb people.... apparently there's docs and nurses that won't get vaccinated.

It is suspected/feared that the jab is not as "safe" as you believe it is.

Partial list of Docs who are anti-covid vax

We have to be some sort of analyst to trade the markets. What do you think the odds are of ALL of these docs being crackpots?

 

[BeautifulStranger]

Reasonable from your perspective. I don't believe it's a stretch to say you are in the camp of the 5% of who are vehemently against the vax.

And the other 20% of the population that is on your side now but could eventually switch? Due to wanting freedoms or employment or whatever reason, the current trend is that they will eventually get vaxxed. That puts you and the others in the 5% who are last holdouts in a dangerous position. Society might not like 25% of the current population getting hunted down to be vaxxed, but Society isn't going to bat an eye at 5%. That's the problem long term.

This isn't the 16th century anymore, unless you want to move to Afghanistan or go off grid which realistically isn't happening for most, I can't see current vax holdouts being realistic long term.

Most people only hear or believe what they want to. People don’t want to hear Covid is a moderately dangerous pathogen. They don’t to hear vaccines can be harmful, both in the short term and the long term. People don’t want to hear that a vaccine’s protection is not complete and whatever protection a vaccine may provide, is only temporary against Covid. However reality is realty, no matter what people believe. Over time, as vaccination rates rise and Covid infection rates remain stubbornly high, most people may come to realize the reality of our Covid world: Covid, through its current and future mutations, is here to stay, just like cold and influenza viruses. Our Covid reality is not even the worst part. This has yet to come. It may be a highly transmissible form of a hemorrhagic virus, a military grade biological attack, or some other pathogen that visits a population whose immune system may have been weakened because of excessive covid vaccinations. If this concern reflects reality, Covid over-vaccination by both number of shots and people vaccinated may merely make future pandemics worse and not actually save any lives in the long run.

Bottom line, it is not effective policy to require entire populations to get vaccinated against only a moderately severe pathogen. Let us save the mass vaccination efforts for pathogens that are truly dangerous on a large scale.

 

[BeautifulStranger]

It is suspected/feared that the jab is not as "safe" as you believe it is.

Partial list of Docs who are anti-covid vax

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We have to be some sort of analyst to trade the markets. What do you think the odds are of ALL of these docs being crackpots?

While our bodies seem to have protections against viruses we don’t fully understand, and without those “Hidden” protections, Covid would have decimated human population, I believe it is inevitable there will be future deaths from mRNA vaccines. Probably not many and almost certainly will be hard to trace back to an mRNA vaccine. Most, if not all, modern pharmaceuticals have serious adverse side effects. I have never heard of a new drug that did not have “Growing pains”, much less a vaccination that is so intrusive such as mRNA. mRNA vaccines may have a net benefit, or they may not. We should not put our entire population at risk, especially in the fight against only a moderately severe virus.

 

[gwb-trading]

It is suspected/feared that the jab is not as "safe" as you believe it is.

Partial list of Docs who are anti-covid vax

View attachment 266891

We have to be some sort of analyst to trade the markets. What do you think the odds are of ALL of these docs being crackpots?

Just take a look at the list and note it includes all the unhinged quacks including “America’s Frontline Doctors” and other clowns who have been debunked for pushing absurd nonsense. These are the people who pushed demon sperm theories, HydroxyC, and Ivermectin while pronouncing false claims about vaccines and therapies which are effective against Covid-19. In summary this is a list of “doctors” (note most have not seen a patient in years) whose false claims are killing people — they are effectively murderers.