Why are oil prices so low?

That was my point, correlation analysis isn't perfect in the short term - I wouldn't vote with my money with that level of imprecision
 
That was my point, correlation analysis isn't perfect in the short term - I wouldn't vote with my money with that level of imprecision

Neither would I. But why should we stop others from doing so? The holidays are fast approaching. Tis the season for low hanging fruit...:)
 
Can you look at a long term chart of the spread of STO-WTI, especially around the 2008 oil crash,
and see if there were some tradeable patterns. Chart trading?
 
What was the basis for speculation in the first place? My reasoning was the anticipated global economic recovery narrative pushed by forecasters, central bankers, and TV talking heads...but more evidence contrary to the narrative has been coming to light as of late...

Basis for speculation? How about Greed? :D

But I couldn't care less really, I'm just happy to know that these fools got killed (again), the oil producers turned out to be the biggest winners, many of them wouldn't ever be profitable if it wasn't for these hedge funds.
 
I'm trying to help. I have no why you transitioned into dick mode. I gave you a simple answer. You rejected it and wanted proof. I've spent the better part of 12 years on this site helping people. I'm trying to share my experience.

I wasn't aware I was in 'dick mode'. If I am, which mode are you in then?

There's plenty of people on this site trying to 'help', so you're in good company there. Among my favorites are dbphoenix and other demo traders. If you're going to become hurt because someone doesn't take what you say at face value and ask you to explain your statements, then so be it.

Neither would I. But why should we stop others from doing so? The holidays are fast approaching. Tis the season for low hanging fruit...:)

Get off your high horse already and don't insult people just because they don't bow down to you as some infallible guru.

I never said I wanted to make a trade based on correlation. I'm merely curious about the correlation between stocks and oil. To me, it would be foolish to not at least look at it.

Again, you're the one making a load of assumptions here.
 

Thanks, man. Will do. And thanks for the chart!

Can you look at a long term chart of the spread of STO-WTI, especially around the 2008 oil crash,
and see if there were some tradeable patterns. Chart trading?

I will look into it. Currently very busy with school, but I hope to have some time over the weekend.

That was my point, correlation analysis isn't perfect in the short term - I wouldn't vote with my money with that level of imprecision

And neither would I. Never said I would either. I just think it's worth looking into when you're trading an oil stock on a daily time frame. I'm not scalping for ticks here.

I'm reasoning that if, say oil has $20 more down side potential from here and say, Statoil, has support in it's current area with the next one being 10% lower, PERHAPS it would be reasonable to suspect that Statoil may trade lower than the current area before finding a bottom.

But perhaps it's a stupid assumption.
 
I wasn't aware I was in 'dick mode'. If I am, which mode are you in then?

There's plenty of people on this site trying to 'help', so you're in good company there. Among my favorites are dbphoenix and other demo traders. If you're going to become hurt because someone doesn't take what you say at face value and ask you to explain your statements, then so be it.



Get off your high horse already and don't insult people just because they don't bow down to you as some infallible guru.

I never said I wanted to make a trade based on correlation. I'm merely curious about the correlation between stocks and oil. To me, it would be foolish to not at least look at it.

Again, you're the one making a load of assumptions here.

Being a dick is when someone is reaching out and trying to help and then you act like you don't need their help. I'm not in dick mode because I'm not asking for your help and then copping an attitude. You keep repeating this insane insertion over and over again that your basis for making this trade in stat oil is based on the price of oil. You then assert there must be some correlation. Then you say it's not a correlation trade. Then you waffle around about where you think oil prices are going then you say you don't want to trade oil because you don't know where oil is going. Ugh. Talk about paralysis by analysis. Here, I'll make this really easy for you mr. college student. Buy stat oil and sell oil against it. If you believe there is correlation and you believe that stat oil will outperform oil itself, then it's a good trade. Of course if you believe there is a strong correlation then you are implying that buying oil and stat oil are going to to trade similar yet you have no interest in buying oil itself. Listen man, I'm trying to help you through your logic here. All ideas can be broken down into their most simple structure. Good luck.
 
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