Why are Hussein Obama and Kamala Harris On My Youtube feed begging for money

[El OchoCinco]

Perfectly fair. And the "major" problem IMHO is w/ the party lines. The candidates are figureheads; Kamala more so, Trump less so.

The Dems are trying to drive further toward the left/socialism and waffling on positions opportunistically. OTOH the GOP has largely been beating the same drum since Trump's first term.

Lesser of two evils if I've ever seen such a situation. More socialism (that always works out great) or less socialism? We'll find out.

Why does the GOP hate to admit that trump is now your figurehead.... the "outsider" took over the party, controls for the most part who gets elected in smaller elections, controls congress to block legislation and got almost all the GOP votes...

he aint an outsider or anti-establishment....he is the GOP.


Claims of socialism since Bill Clinton if a dem wins gets old...GOP needs a new horse to beat. Need to look up what socialism is really..it is not a part of our government. But giving financial aid and tax breaks to corporations is fine amirite? It is when it goes to people that GOP puckers up about socialism.

 

[El OchoCinco]

That's a valid point. They went with the lesser of two evils. Imo however, Joe should never have run in the first place. But whatever.

Well Biden was the incumbent and kind of hard to say he should not have run due to age when the GOP is offering an equally old rambling man....

Also how do you allow challengers to take on the sitting president and then claim he is doing a great job? Biden running again was a given, his fast drop off and deterioration was not as much but the debate was the nail in the coffin.

You have to realize why the GOP is scrambling....the age issue they were pounding got taken away. Now they are trying to make sure they can pin all policies on Harris. trump never ran on policies, just scare tactics that immigrants are pouring in and taking Black jobs, that the world will go to WW3 if biden won, that inflation will get worse etc...

Now that Harris is there, they have to actully tell the people HOW they will stop immigration (GOP pres and Congress for 2 years did nothing), HOW they will stop wars going on, HOW they will magically lower prices (simply do nothing and get out the way and they will come down), HOW the stock market hitting new highs is a bad thing, etc..

We still have not heard the HOW and Harris, whatever bullshit she is spewing is trying to hit on these issues. All trump has to do is act like a candidate and not "I know more than everyone and no one has done better than me" and he can win.

 

[spy]

Why does the GOP hate to admit that trump is now your figurehead.... the "outsider" took over the party, controls for the most part who gets elected in smaller elections, controls congress to block legislation and got almost all the GOP votes...

he aint an outsider or anti-establishment....he is the GOP.

I won't quibble on this because it seems to ruffle feathers. It's a matter of degree however and I think it would be foolish to characterize him as some kind of "orthodox" politician.

Claims of socialism since Bill Clinton if a dem wins gets old...GOP needs a new horse to beat. Need to look up what socialism is really..it is not a part of our government. But giving financial aid and tax breaks to corporations is fine amirite? It is when it goes to people that GOP puckers up about socialism.

I never advocated for corporate welfare. I don't believe that social welfare (at any level) is a problem that can be solved by a central government. Check out the link on my profile if you want the precise reason why.

But... medicare for all and eliminating private insurance is definitely socialism. "Snatching patents" is beyond socialism. Whining about states' rights is leaning pretty close to socialism. Packing the supreme court, wealth taxes, taxes on unrealized gains, price controls etc. etc. You'll argue these are mere rhetorical allusions, or euphemism. Nevertheless... it's a very slippery slope and it was you who said:

it is a perception game at this point

Very happy to throw your own words back at you on this.

Finally, Bill Clinton said "the era of big government is over", that's why he was the last Democrat w/ more palatable policies/rhetoric.

Don't shoot the messenger.

 

[El OchoCinco]

I won't quibble on this because it seems to ruffle feathers. It's a matter of degree however and I think it would be foolish to characterize him as some kind of "orthodox" politician.



I never advocated for corporate welfare. I don't believe that social welfare (at any level) is a problem that can be solved by a central government. Check out the link on my profile if you want the precise reason why.

But... medicare for all and eliminating private insurance is definitely socialism. "Snatching patents" is beyond socialism. Whining about states' rights is leaning pretty close to socialism. Packing the supreme court, wealth taxes, taxes on unrealized gains, price controls etc. etc. You'll argue these are mere rhetorical allusions, or euphemism. Nevertheless... it's a very slippery slope and it was you who said:



Very happy to throw your own words back at you on this.

Finally, Bill Clinton said "the era of big government is over", that's why he was the last Democrat w/ more palatable policies/rhetoric.

Don't shoot the messenger.

1. It doesn't ruffle any feather except the surprise at the denial.... doesnt matter if he is orthodox or not, he is the GOP party right now. Several of the orthodox candidates were blown away early in the primaries and we were left with Vivek, Trump, RFK, and Nikki Hayley.... sorry but it is just pure facts....the party is trump and people closer to him than orthodox whatever that means in politics.

2. not saying you advocated but the constat cry from the right that dems are bringing back socialism while they push corporate welfare is laughable... so anyone who mentions socialism I want to make sure I see both sides of their mouth.


There is no perception game...trump has been the face of the empire since 2016 and he got cruz, rubio, turtle and others to fall in line and got MTG and nuts like her elected (just like you can claim the Bernie Sanders movement got AOC and the crew elected)
3. Obama didnt bring back socialism and neither did Biden... so trump pushing the Dems want Venezuela and Cuba not only shows trump and his far right failed social studies, but they truly dont know what it means. There is no slippery slope when you have the Executive, legislative and judicial branches following the constitution.... government spending on a program is not socialism (especially if it is ok for companies).

 

[spy]

There is no slippery slope when you have the Executive, legislative and judicial branches following the constitution

Uhhh... I guess you didn't read my entire post *cough* court packing *cough*. Members of the state will generally not want a smaller state. You must know what a conflict of interest is, right?

There is no perception game

And, now you're saying perceptions don't matter? Have you misplaced your schizophrenia mediation?

I've said nothing beside it's a lesser of two evils rock/hard-place situation and that people need to be informed to make good decisions. Continuously spending more and more money that you don't have and trying to extract it by coercion is exactly a slippery slope.

If you don't mind your taxes going up, up and away; being spent on stuff you don't want then you are a fool. Hell, nothing's stopping you from donating money to the government or setting up an NGO.

Have you tried that instead Mr. "I care about other people's problems so much"? You're a real mother Theresa or a modern monetary theorist, huh? You can start by sending me $$ directly, or would you rather the IRS knock down your door?

Here's an idea, next time you do your taxes add a giant gratuity.

Typical leftist propaganda... riddled w/ exceptions. Spending money is great as long as it's not your own. Instead, you want to spend my money as if I played no part in earning it, lol. GL

Sorry, I expect a better argument. Maybe I'll go to your house one day, exclaim "you didn't build that" and move in

 

[Tuxan]

May the FSM save is from ideologues. May the Flying Spaghetti Monster guide us through the tangled mess of rigid ideologies with His noodly appendage. It's always better to keep some sauce of reason and a sprinkle of open-mindedness on the side!

R'amen!

 

[El OchoCinco]

Uhhh... I guess you didn't read my entire post *cough* court packing *cough*. Members of the state will generally not want a smaller state. You must know what a conflict of interest is, right?



And, now you're saying perceptions don't matter? Have you misplaced your schizophrenia mediation?

I've said nothing beside it's a lesser of two evils rock/hard-place situation and that people need to be informed to make good decisions. Continuously spending more and more money that you don't have and trying to extract it by coercion is exactly a slippery slope.

If you don't mind your taxes going up, up and away; being spent on stuff you don't want then you are a fool. Hell, nothing's stopping you from donating money to the government or setting up an NGO.

Have you tried that instead Mr. "I care about other people's problems so much"? You're a real mother Theresa or a modern monetary theorist, huh? You can start by sending me $$ directly, or would you rather the IRS knock down your door?

Here's an idea, next time you do your taxes add a giant gratuity.

Typical leftist propaganda... riddled w/ exceptions. Spending money is great as long as it's not your own. Instead, you want to spend my money as if I played no part in earning it, lol. GL

Sorry, I expect a better argument. Maybe I'll go to your house one day, exclaim "you didn't build that" and move in

ok before you went off your meds there on a rant, I said there is no perception game about trump being the party, it is a fact not a perception.

 

[El OchoCinco]

Uhhh... I guess you didn't read my entire post *cough* court packing *cough*. Members of the state will generally not want a smaller state. You must know what a conflict of interest is, right?



And, now you're saying perceptions don't matter? Have you misplaced your schizophrenia mediation?

I've said nothing beside it's a lesser of two evils rock/hard-place situation and that people need to be informed to make good decisions. Continuously spending more and more money that you don't have and trying to extract it by coercion is exactly a slippery slope.

If you don't mind your taxes going up, up and away; being spent on stuff you don't want then you are a fool. Hell, nothing's stopping you from donating money to the government or setting up an NGO.

Have you tried that instead Mr. "I care about other people's problems so much"? You're a real mother Theresa or a modern monetary theorist, huh? You can start by sending me $$ directly, or would you rather the IRS knock down your door?

Here's an idea, next time you do your taxes add a giant gratuity.

Typical leftist propaganda... riddled w/ exceptions. Spending money is great as long as it's not your own. Instead, you want to spend my money as if I played no part in earning it, lol. GL

Sorry, I expect a better argument. Maybe I'll go to your house one day, exclaim "you didn't build that" and move in

Holy shit that was a lot of logorrhea... wtf are you talking about...
you went full batshit crazy there.

I get it, you are voting trump because he promises to lower tax rates and you think Dems simply raise taxes and spend your money. It makes it easier for you to throw up the empty head claims of socialism and pretend the dems are continuously spending money (trump added ..8 trillion to the deficit right?).

I have little respect for those who claim neutrality and then show their true colors. You are clearly on the right and support trump, just be open and honest and dont give us the he sucks but I have to vote for him becuase I care about spending.

 

[poopy]

Uhhh... I guess you didn't read my entire post *cough* court packing *cough*. Members of the state will generally not want a smaller state. You must know what a conflict of interest is, right?



And, now you're saying perceptions don't matter? Have you misplaced your schizophrenia mediation?

I've said nothing beside it's a lesser of two evils rock/hard-place situation and that people need to be informed to make good decisions. Continuously spending more and more money that you don't have and trying to extract it by coercion is exactly a slippery slope.

If you don't mind your taxes going up, up and away; being spent on stuff you don't want then you are a fool. Hell, nothing's stopping you from donating money to the government or setting up an NGO.

Have you tried that instead Mr. "I care about other people's problems so much"? You're a real mother Theresa or a modern monetary theorist, huh? You can start by sending me $$ directly, or would you rather the IRS knock down your door?

Here's an idea, next time you do your taxes add a giant gratuity.

Typical leftist propaganda... riddled w/ exceptions. Spending money is great as long as it's not your own. Instead, you want to spend my money as if I played no part in earning it, lol. GL

Sorry, I expect a better argument. Maybe I'll go to your house one day, exclaim "you didn't build that" and move in

Did you send back your COVID EBT monies?

 

[spy]

IDK why I bother. You can both believe whatever you want.

@poopy has me on block but replies to my posts anyway... apparently an idiot savant who knows more about derivatives than how to hold a mature, intelligent conversation.

And, you @El OchoCinco , seem to be cherry picking every other line of what I post; then drawing absurd conclusions.

It's like being in an insane asylum, lol.

Good luck to each of you.