"Why America was nuked"

[spect8or]

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:



-the fact is that you guys are WAY out in left field here, and i have no idea what sort of rational discourse could lead you to such conclusions....

Yes, it is quite obvious you have no idea. Yet the evidence is out there. Not necessarily evidence of any collective Jewish plot, but the views propounded by the preponderance of Jewish intellectuals all tend to lay along the same vector -- one that is injurious to -- scare word alert -- traditional, white, Christian America.

To take but one example, the change in Immigration law in 1965. America had previously, in 1924, largely sealed herself off from large scale European immigration and certainly had no intention of opening immigration to the entire world. Before and after 1924, the most vociferous, well-organized and well-funded opponents of immigration restriction were Jewish pressure groups such as the American Jewish Congress. The idea of opening America to the entire world didn't just float down from the clouds one balmy spring day in 1965; it was the result of ongoing debate and pressure, again, prominently -- though by no means exclusively -- from Jewish quarters.

The are many more examples one could give of Jewish influence on other issues. This influence is not well known because to notice it is, as you ought to well know, 'antisemitic'. It's 'antisemitic' to even notice the existence of the brazen efforts of AIPAC, and to document and expose the extent of its activities is doubly so -- as researchers John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt recently discovered. It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that an antisemite has become a person not so much that hates Jews, but a person whom Jews hate.

also, have you forgotten that the vast majority of jews are white caucasians?

I have not. And this is where I part company with most "white nationalists".

I neither accuse the Jewish collective, as a whole, of complicity in the activities of Jewish pressure groups -- most are as ignorant of those activities as the average gentile -- nor do I consider Jews an alien racial element.

like i have always said, antisemitism is the snobbery of white trash...

You're simply wrong on this point.


All of this, however, is beside the point. That point, to reiterate it, is that judged by the liberal values of modern America (ie, not by the values of 'antisemites' or tradionalist conservatives), Israel is an abject failure. As I said to another Jew on here, were Israel held to the same standards as Serbia, Tel Aviv would have been bombed a dozen times.

 

[napolitano]

but wait, look at these...

RABID SETTLERS ("We killed Jesus; We're proud of it!!"):

http://www.icomment.org/index.php/main/video/show?id=3999295

DELIBERATE ISRAELI ATTACK ON USS LIBERTY:

http://www.icomment.org/index.php/main/video/show?id=3892303

Unbelievable.

 

[spect8or]

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

spec, i'm not sure if you were aware of that israel is the only nation in the reigion with what we would consider a reasonable standard of living,

Surely you're not reduced to simply pleading with me?

which is humane in the treatement of it's people, and who's citizens ( as opposed to govt/ruling class) is able to prosper....

I would hardly consider the treatment of occupied Palestinians "humane". Further, I have read too many reports, from Israeli publications like Haaretz, that document 2nd class citizenship of Israeli Arabs. Certainly, if Jews in America were treated as the Arabs of Israel are, it would be considered the most unspeakable racism.

[all of this is so contradictory spec, it dissapoints me in you..

I'm not in the habit of pointing out argumentative fallacies, but you've so far dealt honestly enough with me that's really I who ought to be disappointed in you.

Saying you're disappointed in me is a subtle form of ad hominen, in the sense that you find my views not only wrong, but a moral failing in me, as a person.. Normally I would not mention this, but taking a stand against not only Israel but entrenched Jewish interests is a task hazardous enough on its own, without having to defend one's character. People are already conditioned to expect such a person to be of the lowest moral order and are content to scan his arguments only for evidence that it is so. So excuse me for digressing, but it's necessary that I point this out.

your assertion is that

1) america is israel's bitch, and that israel would be nowhere if not for the aid which america gives it at the cost of america's security

That is not at all my assertion. You have pulled that out of thin air. I believe Israel to be quite capable of standing on its own without a dime of American aid.

yet

2) jews and israel conspire to genetically weaken america vis a vis immigration policy???

that makes no sense, if america is such a source of aid, security, and political legitimacy as per your assertion, why then would israel and jews seek to weaken it...

I can see why you invented the assertion you ascribe to me.

your hypothesis is a bit flawed...

care to explain?

Sure... it's not my hypothesis at all. It's a strawman you yourself concocted.


Edit
Momo, given that in the previous post I alluded to ideas that you have probably thus far been largely unaware of, I think your above reply was hastily written, coming only 20 minutes after. Perhaps allow yourself to digest my views a little more thoroughly before rushing off to fashion a reply. My purpose isn't to "show up" anybody. It's to put up for discussion issues that are of vital importance that are simply not discussed openly enough. Jews themselves discuss these issues, as you can see here, on this Jewish site.

 

[spect8or]

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

ok then, correct me if i am wrong, WHY did all these anomalous jewish conspirators conspire to loosen the immigration policies?
please humor me with specifics, what is the motive/objective of these nefarious jewish cabals?

Sure. But first, how about you stop putting words into my mouth? I've made no reference to "nefarious jewish cabals". I've said Jewish pressure groups and I've selected those words for objective reasons. These groups -- AJC, ADL, Simon Wiesenthal, among others -- are Jewish and function to exert pressure on public opinion. Perhaps I do regard them as "nefarious" and as "cabals", but why not let me make that characterization?

Now, their purpose -- and you obviously didn't take my advice to "slow down", else you would have read the link and not had to ask -- was simply to so dilute the traditional white, Christian core of America to make life there safer for Jews. If Jews were simply one among many other groups, the smaller that chance that anyone would single Jews out for attention. This project has succeeded probably beyond anyone's wildest dreams. Jews no longer need worry about policing public sentiment, gentiles police themselves. There is no better way to drain the color from a white's face than to make reference to any sort of Jewish activity or to invite open discussion of the holocaust (the only permissible conclusion being whatever Jews say happened). Robert Faurisson quotes French-Jewish philosopher Alain Finkielkraut's 1998 essay published in Le Monde on Croatia's wartime Cardinal Stepinac, which opens with:

"Ah, how sweet it is to be Jewish at the end of this 20th century! We are no longer History's accused, but its darlings. The spirit of the times loves, honors, and defends us, watches over our interests; it even needs our imprimatur. Journalists draw up ruthless indictments against all that Europe still has in the way of Nazi collaborators or those nostalgic for the Nazi era. Churches repent, states do penance, Switzerland no longer knows where to stand ..."

As Faurisson notes, it is indeed sweet, but only a Jew can say so.

Instrumental in this transformation of public opinion have been projects that, as I said, have enjoyed overwhelming Jewish support, and have been heavily promoted by the said Jewish pressure groups: mass 3rd world immigration, multiracialism and multiculturalism.


(The very same Finkielkraut wrote in the wake of the 2005 riots that the riots were the fault of the rioters, and that the answer to racism was perhaps not multiracialism, as multiracialism could also produce "multiracism". No surprise there; now that France's immigration project has swamped the country with unassimilable and openly antisemitic Muslims, multiracialism has become a threat to French Jews.)

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from Publisher:

Iran does not hate America or democracy or freedom. Why would you say something like that? Ignorance? Iran is a democracy.

Obviously, Ahmadinejad does not hate America. If he did, why would he bother having a friendship with a well known American nationalist?

Quote from spect8or:

Publisher, I notice you have been making some quite insightful posts. Let's remember, however, that all this is a little too much for the hapaboys of the world.

ROLFMAO!!

TOO FUNNY!

Moonbats leaching sub-intellectual sustenance from each other.

I love it!!

 

[spect8or]

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

spec, you are correct, i did not ''slow down'', i am very envious of your position as a pizza delivering college student as that lifestyle affords you ample time to endlessly pontificate every idiological crevace of every issue that you wish.

This is simply uncalled for. (FWIW, while it be satisfying to take jabs at me, I take it as a sign of desperation on your part.)


i am not in the same position, so forgive me if i am not able to ''slow down''. time is a commodity in my life currently.[/b][/quote]

I'm actually strapped for time myself. Classes, studying, work.. I scarcely have time to see my girlfriend.

Nevertheless, I'm interested in the most pressing issues of my day. These issues move at glacial speed, at least compared to the second by second activity of the spoos. There's no rush to learn everything today before it changes tomorrow. It's been fifty years of folly and it will probably be another fifty before anything changes -- if it ever does.

you have certainly become quite defensive in your last few posts

Well if taking the time to clarify my position is "defensive" then, okay, sure. Lol.



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and i believe it is because i am one of few on this board who actually challenges the theoretical foundation of your ideas as opposed to offering a cookie cutter response of ''you are wrong because your ideas are racially based''.

Yes, you are. In my opinion, you are not doing a particularly good job of it, but I appreciate your effort.

i realize this and am thus not offended. you act as if jews are the only ones promoting ''multicultralism'' in america, which couldnt be further from the truth.

No, that is not what I have said.

What I have said is that these ideas, multiculturalism, multiracialism, 3rd world immigration, largely -- but not exclusively -- had their genesis in Jewish thought. They were vigorously promoted by Jewish organizations throughout the early 20th century, until they were adopted by gentile liberals and took on a life of their own. My claim is that this Jewish promotion of these ideas was instrumental both in advancing these policies, and equally if not more importantly in silencing opposition to them.

You're quite correct that my problem TODAY is with liberalism, not Judaism. I have never suggested otherwise. I have never suggested that America need only rid herself of Jews and that everything would be right. It is liberalism that I see as the problem.

The Jewish role is still important, however, because of widespread Jewish control of media and entertainment. Again, it is quite antisemitic to note this, but that does not mean it is just some baseless claim. It as well documented as the Jewish role in immigration. You yourself acknowledge that you have no time to immerse yourself in the issue, so your retorts that this all just "bullshit" carry no weight.

and in israel the left also promotes multicultralism there....

Which is why Israel is doing everything it can to secure the return of the Arab refugees, right?

in fact, contrary to what you would have people believe, arab israelis are even in office in israel,

Really? I would have people believe that there are NO Arabs in the Knesset. You have heard me say this....where?

with ALL of the legal rights as israeli jews...

Like serving in the army, right?

the only discrimination that arab citizens of israel experience is social discrimination, and you can't legislate that... like i said before, i have heard of landlords not wanting to rent to arabs, i have heard of small businesses not wanting to hire arabs, etc. but they have the same class of citizenry that all of the jews have...

I didn't say it was a legal 2nd class, I meant it was a functional 2nd class. The sort of 2nd class existence we would never hear the end of were it happening to Jews in America.

to clarify, your assertion that the nefarious jewish cabals purpose in supplanting multicultralism in america is to make themselves less distinguishable as a minority and thus shelter them from predjudice/discrimination?

...and to advance their own interests. Yes.

 

[spect8or]

Quote from hapaboy:

ROLFMAO!!

TOO FUNNY!

Moonbats leaching sub-intellectual sustenance from each other.

I love it!!

Oh there you are. I was afraid you might have "forgotten" about this thread again.

Well, you sure zeroed in on THE most pertinent portion of the preceding exchanges, didn't you?

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from spect8or:

Hap, have at it man. Bomb away. It won't make any real difference. The dangers the west faces are, at least for the moment, entirely unrelated to Iran, but what the hell, go for it. Of course, unless we reverse the flawed worldviews and assumptions about human nature that have shaped foreign and domestic policy for, oh, the last fifty years, whatever happens or doesn't happen with Iran will, in the long run, be of little significance.

I see...

No response to the "Death to America" comments? Not able to elaborate - with any legitimacy - on the "shakiest and most unlikely of foundations" on which the gassings of the Holocaust rest?

Iran is not a danger to the West?

Yeah, popular support with the backing of a fanatic government for the destruction of this country and the death of its citizens, combined with the pursuit of nuclear technology is not a threat.

Apparently you're smoking some really good shit out there in Melbourne. Good for you. Don't worry about this stuff. Just toke and be merry, mate!

 

[spect8or]

Quote from hapaboy:

Not able to elaborate - with any legitimacy - on the "shakiest and most unlikely of foundations" on which the gassings of the Holocaust rest?

Really?

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from spect8or:

Oh there you are. I was afraid you might have "forgotten" about this thread again.

Well, I don't fixate on my threads to the extent you do, apparently.

Clicking the refresh button feverishly after every post may be your idea of a jolly good time, but not mine...

Anyway...

Well, you sure zeroed in on THE most pertinent portion of the preceding exchanges, didn't you?

Sorry if I glossed over your anti-semitic revisionist moonbat history or your moonbat friend's insistence that the Iranian President being a friend with an American journalist is irrefutable proof that said Iranian prez is a nice guy with nothing but the best intentions for this country.

You two are just impossible to take seriously.

But you are good for a laugh! Thanks!