Of course, America has a high Obesity Prevalence Rating...we've been arguing that point since the Pandemic started...arguing with the Natural Immunity folks that wanted to let Covid RIP through society during the original pathogenic Covid virus but they backtracked when they saw the excessive-high deaths in those countries that did just that...let it RIP.
You might have been arguing with the wrong crowd. You may have heard from a few highly vocal natural immunity proponents who are against the vaccines entirely but they are not representational of the scientific based "natural immunity is superior to vaccine immunity (in all diseases) crowd" Black and white views seem to always repeat through the news because controversy is good for viewership but they don't represent the reality. Pastoral sexual abuse does not equate to the Catholic religious doctrines but it is now associated with it. It takes some non-emotional thinking to get passed the trigger points.
The backtracking occurred after the excessive-high deaths in which they said protect just the elderly but let everyone live their life. The problem...many were not elderly and wanted to live their life...they have an obesity problem, 1/3 have underlying medical conditions in which most of these people believe "they're healthy" and many did not consider themself to have a co-morbidity that can be exploited by a Covid illness.
You are simply pointing out the failure of the government and medical profession. With almost 80% of deaths occurring in overweight people, including the elderly, the data was there from the very beginning. The fact that governments refused to release this data and medical practitioners ignored it led to many unnecessary deaths. This has nothing to do with people being for or against natural immunity as a strategy for certain sections of society.
Simply, you don't let Covid RIP through an unhealthy society unless the government is OK with possibly killing off about 1/3 of the population and over flowing the hospitals that they're treating patients in parking lots and burning the dead in vacant lots like India had to do.
Okay, this statement is total fear-porn. First off, Covid did rip through society, vaccines weren't available for quite some time into the pandemic. Secondly, there are numerous countries in the world (with fat and old people) that do not have high vaccination rates and there are none with a 30% mortality rate. Are we talking about the same disease? You are fear-porning Covid (1% mortality rate) into being Smallpox (30% mortality rate) which is just Chicken Little talk. BTW, they treat US citizens in parking lots during strong flu seasons and I have already pointed this out in a previous point.
I have lived in India for 10 years of my life and have many friends there. Many of them got Covid. Two died, both were overweight with comorbidities. Others got over Covid using Ayurvedic or Siddha medicines and some with government issued early out patient treatment kits containing ivermectin. Morgues were overrun in the US during the pre-vaccine RIP too, it happens in pandemics.
Extremely rare.
- The science does show in fact that reinfections do occur more often than you think as I've posted about Covid lineages involving each Variant of Concern in which the same variant with different lineages (sub-group) can (has) infected the same person regardless if the person is immuno-compromise, underlying medical condition or is healthy.
It's only becoming more common because we now have better documentation that we didn't have in 2020. Simply, most of the reinfections have occurred in 2021 although rare but increasing.
I'd be willing to bet that it happens more in vaccinated individuals than natural immunity individuals and that the sample set is so small that it makes it statistically meaningless for broader society.
As stated many times over the recent months...vaccination plus a breakthrough infection or recovery from a prior Covid infection and then vaccinated = Super Immunity.
This is an ad campaign for vaccines. Translation: Once you finally get natural immunity you have Super Immunity. This week Pfizrael (the country formally known as Israel) has the highest daily cases per capita globally despite being triple and quadruple vaxxed - No, this isn't vaccine failure - this is soon to be Super Immunity.
Yet, I also believe someone that has recovered from a prior Covid infection should be treated the same as a person that's been vaccinated but its problematic for those that's been infected multiple times in a one year duration as in +2 or more infections...its a person that has other health issues that they may not know about.
European Union regulators have warned that frequent Covid-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune response and this should also be looked into in regards to any individual who repeatedly is catching Covid.
- People that get Covid multiple times should volunteer for genomic sequencing the help scientists better understand possible re-infections because there's still not enough documentation about it. It should also alert them that there's a problem with their immune system because it should have strengthened after each infection instead of them getting infected again.
Strangely, now that we have Omicron that's less pathogenic (mainly causes mild illness in most individuals) but more transmissible, the Natural Immunity folks are getting what they want...seeing a Covid variant spreading through society.
Natural Immunity proponents are not interested in Covid spreading through society. Covid could basically die out with 3/4ths of the world population never getting it, which is what it is looking like and that would be fine. They are simply proponents of those in low risk categories not being vaccinated as it is not necessary. You are equating militant antivaxxers with those knowledgeable about the history of natural immunity and the role it plays in pandemics. Hospital administrators firing healthy staff for being unvaccinated is also a reason for capacity issues, equal to speed of spread. To deny this is to be disingenuous.
- The problem, is that they can't control the speed of the spread and that's the reason why many hospitals are near capacity or over-capacity along with the fact that Omicron showed up when our healthcare system again didn't have the beds nor enough medical personnel. It's the reason why, once again, hospitals are canceling elective surgeries until they think Omicron has peaked.
Heck, even states public health agencies and the White House couldn't keep up with the spread of Omicron...it moved too damn fast.
Dinosaurs. Maybe they should have done what certain states in India did and went door to door with kits.
I don't get my hospital capacity news from the media...I get it from my two brothers, sister, and girlfriend who all work in the medical field. In addition, I myself have used a hospital several times during this Pandemic or seen the videos shared amongst medical personnel. I then get confirmation about the hospital capacity issues in other states and provinces from the media news.
We all have relatives in the healthcare profession- it is a big business. My experience has been different than yours. It is a hospital by hospital, country by country, policy by policy case. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hospitalization-7-day-trend
As for governments that view anti-vaccine people as a threat...I'm speaking specifically of those people that are causing capacity problems in the hospitals and those causing problems in other areas outside of a hospital. Thus, I'm not talking about the person that's infected with a mild Covid illness and staying home to quarantine for a few days.
For example, I'm talking about anti-vaccine people posting misinformation / disinformation online and forums that allow such, people protesting at the doors of hospitals to prevent emergency medical care to others trying to enter a hospital, intentional attacking those that have made it a personal choice to be vaccinated, making threats to children that have Parents that allowed their child to be vaccinated (a decision between parent and child)...so many other issues...these are the governments that have become more aggressive towards the anti-vaccine folks that include trying the use mandates and health-pass.
- It has nothing to do with science... it's about human decency.
You are going to do well in our new social credit system with your desire to be the police of wrong think. You are citing the example a a few nutters when there are millions of peaceful hard working people who have been fired from their jobs due to government policy that has proven to be worthless.
I saw all the above aggressiveness BEFORE the mandates including personally witnessing it myself (e.g. large crowds protesting at hospitals and yelling at severely ill patients, protestors threatening children that show up to school wearing a face mask because the protestor believes it's going to scare/harm other children).
Again, you are citing the example of a few nutters but you are not citing the millions of parents who don't want their kids to get the experimental use vaccine but are being forced to just to stay in school.
Funny story, I recognize an angry individual protesting outside of a hospital. It was someone that I knew from many years ago that had cancer...she lost all of her hair from radiation/chemotherapy and she wore a face mask to protect herself from others. Today, she's now protesting face mask wear.
Another example of a weirdo nutter.
- My point, is if people truly believe it's a personal choice...why do they have a problem with those that exercise that right to wear a face mask and/or to get vaccinated ?
The above question I've asked a few times before any mandates or talk of mandates.
Look at this ET forum, I clearly remember the above issues and posted about it prior to any mandates that if people that choose to follow the public health guidelines are going to be harassed or threatened with physical harm by Covidiot members...
Many people on ET are nutters.
Mandates will soon follow in the world outside of a trading forum and they then did in fact follow. We even had a few ET members fall into that cloud of making the same threats...most are now gone because they violated the terms of use policy here at the forum after they popped up on the radar prior to the mandates.
Threats = nutters. Mandates = nutters.
All of my siblings were vaccinated to protect those they treated, protect their families and themself. In addition, my siblings have volunteered for Covid clinical trials because they believe in the science of Covid, Vaccines, Face Mask Wear and are very schooled in it than the general public.
That's nice for themselves (possible less severity, although I have never seen the metric on that) but as the scientific data has proven being vaccinated does not prevent you from being a vector of spreading Covid.
I too have volunteered for clinical trials. I am in the control group and with a love for science and coming from a family of medical practitioners I am sure you can appreciate my choice. I certainly appreciate your family members gesture.
I often posted a saying here at the forum but not so much lately because the damage is now done...
We Reap What We Sow (You Reap What You Sow).
Agree - there are no victims.
Even though we disagree on issues around Covid, as always I appreciate your thoughtfulness.
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