Who plans to get the covid 19 VACCINE when it comes out

Usually when I see someone label someone as FASCIST or MARXIST...they're from the U.K. A country kicked out of the United States of America a very long time ago...people today still trying to divide America.
  • I myself have never lived in a fascist community but my grandparents (mother side) in France have during WWII. :D
Fascist

Fascism is a term often loosely used to describe military dictatorships and extreme right-wing governments and organizations (or individuals) known to be either violently anticommunist or violently anti-Semitic, or both. These are often important elements within fascism (as are the institutionalization of sexual repression and strong antifemale, antihomosexual and profamily biases), but the term should be more precisely confined to those mass movements and political parties that originated in the capitalist economies of Europe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, culminating in Mussolini's Italy, Hitler's Germany and Salazar's Portugal.

It is characterized by a hatred for liberalism, socialism, democracy, internationalism and the parliamentary system; by extreme patriotism and aggressive nationalism, and hostility to other nations and races; by a glorification of power, violence and war; by dreams of conquest and expansion; by a hankering after a supposedly glorious past; by paramilitary associations; by the myth of the "leader" to whom superhuman qualities are attributed; and by the creation of a convenient scapegoat - usually Jews - for all social, national and economic ills.

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Because I know that the only link he has is the link to his phantasy.

Conspiracy theorists in U.K. have been under a lot of pressure lately and it shows in their recent message posts of several U.K. active posters here at the forum.

Today, they all should be happier with their government removing the self-quarantine requirement for those that are fully vaccinated and have been "ping" due to a recent contact tracing to someone that test posted for Covid...a lot of people were out of work because of the "ping rule".
  • Contact trade "ping" is a stupid health policy in the first place for those fully vaccinated or believe they have natural immunity after a recent recovery from Covid.
We should see a drop in their anti-american attacks (calling people fascists, marxists, attacking democracy), covid conspiracies, covid propaganda, and strange political debates in American politics when they're not Americans.

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If you were the governor of Florida, I'm just wondering what decisions you would be making right now that would handle the current situation the state is in.

Incentives and Republican advertisement for vaccinations, punishment for being non-vaxxed. (as not letting into entertainment venues without a vaccine passport) Mask mandates everywhere indoors. Get Trump on tv promoting the vaccine. (and acknowledging that he was wrong about the virus) Vaccine mandates in all public and federal workplaces. (including 12+ children)
Delaying schools for 2 weeks until more kids can get the shot is also a solution. Those kids will take home the virus to their anti-vax parents.

The Republican leadership should promote that getting vaxxed is pro-business and pro-American.(true in both cases) Dead people can not vote.

Mind you, if you get a shot today it only starts to provide some protection a week from now, so all vaccinations are going to have a delayed effect. But masks do save lives, so they can be implemented right away.

A personal note to you:

We have known each other for 18 years or so. In a month you are going to be on the wrong side of 50. I thought you want to live forever (at least as a goal).

What most people forget about Covid is the effects of long Covid. (and we still don't know the full story about this) But if you want to live the next 3-4 decades in good health, please get vaccinated. That is the best way to avoid long Covid. Dying is one thing but who wants to live with any of these?:
scarred lungs, erectile disfunction, difficulty breathing or shortness of breath, tiredness or fatigue, difficulty thinking or concentrating, cough, chest and/or stomach pain, headache, heart palpitations, joint and/or muscle pain, pins and needles, diarrhea, sleep problems.

Right now it looks like Moderna has the best defense against the Delta variant, so if I were to get a shot today, I would choose Moderna.

(The most likely explanation is the stronger dosage and more time between shots. 3-4 weeks was just picked because of quick effectiveness but the best antibody response is around 8 weeks.)
 
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Incentives and Republican advertisement for vaccinations, punishment for being non-vaxxed. (as not letting into entertainment venues without a vaccine passport) Mask mandates everywhere indoors. Get Trump on tv promoting the vaccine. (and acknowledging that he was wrong about the virus) Vaccine mandates in all public and federal workplaces. (including 12+ children)
Delaying schools for 2 weeks until more kids can get the shot is also a solution. Those kids will take home the virus to their anti-vax parents.

The Republican leadership should promote that getting vaxxed is pro-business and pro-American.(true in both cases) Dead people can not vote.

Mind you, if you get a shot today it only starts to provide some protection a week from now, so all vaccinations are going to have a delayed effect. But masks do save lives, so they can be implemented right away.

A personal note to you:

We have known each other for 18 years or so. In a month you are going to be on the wrong side of 50. I thought you want to live forever (at least as a goal).

What most people forget about Covid is the effects of long Covid. (and we still don't know the full story about this) But if you want to live the next 3-4 decades in good health, please get vaccinated. That is the best way to avoid long Covid. Dying is one thing but who wants to live with any of these?:
scarred lungs, erectile disfunction, difficulty breathing or shortness of breath, tiredness or fatigue, difficulty thinking or concentrating, cough, chest and/or stomach pain, headache, heart palpitations, joint and/or muscle pain, pins and needles, diarrhea, sleep problems.

Right now it looks like Moderna has the best defense against the Delta variant, so if I were to get a shot today, I would choose Moderna.

(The most likely explanation is the stronger dosage and more time between shots. 3-4 weeks was just picked because of quick effectiveness but the best antibody response is around 8 weeks.)

Well stated Governor Pekelo !

wrbtrader
 
It seems like there's two camps when it comes to this issue. The vaxxed and the unvaxxed.

But here's a question: What about all the people who've already had covid like myself and tested positive for the antibodies? Why would I want to go out and get a manmade vaccine injected into me when I've already been through the two weeks of hell with Covid and earned my antibodies the natural way?
 
It seems like there's two camps when it comes to this issue. The vaxxed and the unvaxxed.

But here's a question: What about all the people who've already had covid like myself and tested positive for the antibodies? Why would I want to go out and get a manmade vaccine injected into me when I've already been through the two weeks of hell with Covid and earned my antibodies the natural way?

Baron,

In my opinion, those that have recovered from a Covid infection should not be required to be vaccinated unless there's data that shows those currently with Natural Immunity are being Hospitalized, ICU admissions, and Deaths.

Currently, there's no data that supports the above and the data for reinfections is extremely low via a 1st infection from the initial Covid and then a 2nd infection via the Delta Variant.

A good friend of mine (military buddy) in Kentucky...survived Covid (life support) last year. He's not going to get vaccinated (he recently said YES but now saids NO) but he's going to get tested each month for his antibodies.

Baron, you're more protected than those that are not vaccinated if that means anything to you but I see recommendations that you should still get vaccinated in which I disagree with.
Lets put it this way, if I had prior (recently) been infected with the Delta Variant...I would not get vaccinated until a new Variant of Concern shows up. Yet, I would always wear a face mask in public places along with being careful about whom I allow into my home or car...they must be vaccinated or recently recovered from Covid in the past 3 months.
  • I say 3 months above because there's debates among Immunologists and Virologists about how long Natural Immunity lasts...3 months to 1 1/2 years.
Unfortunately, I travel a lot between Canada, France, United States, and I'm ex-military...me getting fully vaccinated was a necessity and part of my normal lifestyle along with the fact that I grew up in a military family.

I wouldn't be surprised if we soon hear the CDC post an update about those that have recently recovered from an infection with the Delta Variant because currently, I can not find any news specific to that group of Americans.

I say the above via the study of Chickenpox. I learned in college in Immunology classes and the CDC states that if you've had Chickenpox after age 1...you do not need to take the chickenpox vaccine. That info wasn't realized until about 8 years after a mass vaccination of the population.

Covid is a new disease and there will be many changes to the info about Covid in the first few years of the disease. Stay alert...stay alive (military saying).

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But here's a question: What about all the people who've already had covid like myself and tested positive for the antibodies? Why would I want to go out and get a manmade vaccine injected into me when I've already been through the two weeks of hell with Covid and earned my antibodies the natural way?

Yes to avoid reinfection according to
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...say-you-still-need-get-vaccinated/5535920001/
Natural infection isn't enough to protect against COVID-19, experts say. You still need a vaccine.
Adrianna Rodriguez
USA TODAY

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A study published Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found unvaccinated people who have had COVID-19 are more than twice as likely to be reinfected with the virus compared with people who were fully vaccinated after contracting the virus.

The study included hundreds of Kentucky residents with previous COVID-19 infections from May through June. It showed those who were unvaccinated were 2.34 times more likely to be reinfected compared with those who were fully vaccinated.

The vaccinated are angry. That's understandable but unproductive, health experts say

Will COVID-19 vaccine booster shots be needed? It's likely, experts say, but the immunocompromised should be prioritized.

A study in April published in The Lancet Respiratory Medicine found multiple COVID-19 reinfections in the U.S. Marines Corps, a population considered to be the picture of health. Among the 189 Marines who were infected from May to November 2020, 10% tested positive again.

according to a case study published in The Lancet Infectious Diseases. Researchers said his second go-around was “symptomatically more severe than the first.”

Spreading the disease gives the virus more opportunity to mutate, heath experts said, allowing more variants to emerge. According to the CDC, the delta variant accounts for more than 90% of sequenced cases in the USA.

“With this delta variant, you want to have the odds in your favor,” Iovine said. “You don’t want to leave yourself with excess risk, and that’s where vaccination is going to give you that extra layer of protection that natural infection cannot.”

I think the plan after that will be get a booster shot. Then get another booster shot. Then ...:)
 
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