Who plans to get the covid 19 VACCINE when it comes out

Baron said:
Well, you included the correct word in your post so I will give you the prize and say you're correct.

The answer is tourists. Even in the worst of the worst in 2020, Orlando still saw over 30 million visitors that year. Now we're back up to the 70+ million visitors per year mark and well over 150 million visitors per year across the state.

So when you see all these goofy reports saying "Covid cases have tripled in Florida over the past month", my response is "Yeah, no shit. It's the middle of the summer and it's the busiest time of the year here. Tourists are freakin' everywhere."

But what the media does is try to compare state to state. "Florida's cases are soaring compared to other states!"

Well yeah, because everybody and their brother is coming here right now. They're coming from every state and country you can imagine. And only God knows what contact all those people have had before they arrived.

And ponder this: If a tourist from England gets sick while they are on holiday here in Orlando, where do you think they take that person for treatment? Back to England? Hell no! They put them in the local hospital system here. That's why you only hear about "people" and "cases" being reported in the "overrun hospital system". Nobody is telling you where all those "people" and "cases" originated from.

Another little factoid is that this time of the year we see spikes in hospitalizations anyway regardless of Covid. And you want to know what for? Acute sunburn. Thousands of people get admitted to the healthcare system this time of the year every single day because they are from Europe or some other northern climate and they vastly underestimate the power of the sun in a tropical environment like ours. But that never makes the news because it happens every year and it's boring.

But getting back to the topic, of course Florida will have a spike in cases because the entire friggin' world is coming here for vacation, entertainment, fun and relaxation right now.

When I say millions of visitors per month, I mean it. I don't think most people understand the scale of this place until you've actually experienced it yourself. There are parking lots at Disney that you can literally pull into your parking spot and start walking toward the theme park. And guess where you're at after walking for 35 minutes? Yep, you're still in the parking lot. And that's just one theme park in one location. We have dozens of theme parks here.

Just food for thought.
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1 hour to get to the Theme park, 30mins to get to a ride, 3hours in a cue, 2mins on the ride, maybe a 2nd ride if your lucky, 1hr 30mins to get back to car and that's cost you $400, $100 per minute on the ride, nice!!

Sun Burn and always maxed out, nice!!
 
Baron said:
Dude. The English tourist reference was just an example.
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Tourism is a choice. As is suppressing medical data and pretending Covid is harmless to anyone "healthy" under age 80. And yet here we are. I really don't care at this point how many adults you kill down there with this shit ( it's a choice made by your communities ), but it's time to get real. The death counts and hospitalizations are not ok numbers, and now it's even affecting the kids. And has has been the case for numerous crisis in the US the last 20 years, it's always leave us alone we got this then we need help look at all our suffering people.
 
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I wonder what a non vaxxer would say if one of his children would need urgent surgery to survive.
Especially if the answer from the hospital would be: sorry we cannot help you as all available places are taken by non vaxxers that got sick. Your child will have to die, nothing we can do.

I think if it would happen with my child, I might think about killing the non vaxxer who took my child's place.

Decisions from non vaxxers have not only an impact on themselves, but also on other innocent people. These hospitalized non vaxxers basically decide over life and death of other people if they take all places in hospitals.
Non vaxxers should be kicked out of the hospitals if there are other people who need that place for medical treatment.
 
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virtusa said:
I wonder what a non vaxxer would say if one of his children would need urgent surgery to survive.
Especially if the answer from the hospital would be: sorry we cannot help you as all available places are taken by non vaxxers that got sick. Your child will have to die, nothing we can do.
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Wow. You must really like horror movies because your ability to dream up nightmare scenarios in your head and then believe them to be true is exceptional. And then to take that scenario you dreamed up and then let that be the lens that you view others through is um... interesting.
 
Baron said:
Wow. You must really like horror movies because your ability to dream up nightmare scenarios in your head and then believe them to be true is exceptional.
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In my country there was a meeting last year already with a lot of doctors to speak about the deontological question: which patient to choose if we have not enough place (or rather not enough equipment)? That's reality. Maybe not yet close to you, but it can still come.
They had, last years already, to choose a few times.

Big trucks with freezers to pile up death bodies was till 2 years ago never seen too. But in New York there were plenty last year.

PS: I worked 15 years in hospitals and know a lot of things that you probably never heard about.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/h...s/news-story/4bdeae74e8467c12be11f64b0d7a26ea

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Everybody has tough decisions to make when it comes to unforeseen events. Whether it's a hospital, a grocery store, a pharmacy, a household, or whatever. The point is that you can't fabricate some crazy story in your mind about murdering a non-vaxxed patient in the event your kid couldn't get treatment because it's all just a bunch of horror fantasy that you've conjured up in your head that you're now projecting into the future and then forming a belief system around it.

You've literally worked yourself up into a rage about a medical treatment scenario that has zero chance of ever happening in your own life.
 
Baron said:
Everybody has tough decisions to make when it comes to unforeseen events. Whether it's a hospital, a grocery store, a pharmacy, a household, or whatever. The point is that you can't fabricate some crazy story in your mind about murdering a non-vaxxed patient in the event your kid couldn't get treatment because it's all just a bunch of horror fantasy that you've conjured up in your head that you're now projecting into the future and then forming a belief system around it.

You've literally worked yourself up into a rage about a medical treatment scenario that has zero chance of ever happening in your own life.
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Lol - right?

And these power vaxxers call non vaxxers crazy conspiracy nutjobs. Both sides are just as bad.

That's easy to see reading back to the start of this thread.
 
Relentless said:
Lol - right?

And these power vaxxers call non vaxxers crazy conspiracy nutjobs. Both sides are just as bad.

That's easy to see reading back to the start of this thread.
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That is a big part of the issue, loons on both sides that outright lie, or simply rely on other loons for their information instead of putting in the time to understand for themselves.
I use the quacks on both sides of this and a lot of other issues to teach the kids the concept of learning both sides of an issue and doing your own research to get a grasp on topics.
All this arguing brings me back to one of favorite books from a college stats course, "How To Lie With Statistics". The Prof went way more in depth on the topic than the book which was even more fun.
 
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