Do you know where Livermore initially received his trading capital from?
Hello Pekelo,From himself. He started out in bucket shops and ran it up using high leverage. His book is actually online, just check out the first 5 pages...
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/60979
I will check it out. Leverage is Power.
That's very interesting, I wasn't sure, but expected all the posts here to be about relatively known to the wider audience traders. Trading electricity futures is an underground topic for the financial markets traders, but it starts getting recognition - I saw that there are even Bachelor's and Master's university courses in this field. Also, speaking about the Scandinavian countries - Kristjan Kullamagi is a great trader, at least from what a regular person like me can see on the internet. You can google him, he has a website, a youtube channel, twitter page... some great insights from him as well.Maybe the question should be who is the greatest known trader of all time?
I'm wondering if there are some private individuals who's done even better, but whose results are not known to the public.
In Norway, there was a former electricity broker who started out on his own with 200K NOK (18K USD today) and built that all the way to 1.1 billion NOK trading mostly electricity futures - before he went on to lose it ALL and then some on one single bet. Quite the story. Of course, considering how he lost it all on one trade it goes without saying that he probably took massive risks in order to build his fortune. For years end he was the top contributor of taxes for individuals in Norway as those lists are publicly known here.
Einar Aas confirmed as source of Nasdaq default fund loss | Montel (montelnews.com)
The Japanese trader CIS who's been mentioned a few times on these boards also seems to have accumulated some amazing returns.
Meet CIS, Japan’s market-moving enigma who can make millions of yen in his pajamas - The Washington Post
I quickly checked it out, because I remembered he did ask for a small amount. When he lost his bucket shop earnings and wanted to play in a normal broker office he asked for a cash loan of 500 bucks from old man Fullerton, I guess the broker office boss. Then he took that money to St. Louis, because the NYC bucket shops already banned him for winning too much.
So I guess that was his initial stake, if you wish to call that.
I would guess after his bankruptcies he borrowed money to trade. Or had credit lines with various brokers.
Back in 2002 i opened a credit account with IG Index in the UK, there was no need to put any money down. They don't offer that feature anymore.
Maybe the question should be who is the greatest known trader of all time?
I'm wondering if there are some private individuals who's done even better, but whose results are not known to the public.
In Norway, there was a former electricity broker who started out on his own with 200K NOK (18K USD today) and built that all the way to 1.1 billion NOK trading mostly electricity futures - before he went on to lose it ALL and then some on one single bet. Quite the story. Of course, considering how he lost it all on one trade it goes without saying that he probably took massive risks in order to build his fortune. For years end he was the top contributor of taxes for individuals in Norway as those lists are publicly known here.
Einar Aas confirmed as source of Nasdaq default fund loss | Montel (montelnews.com)
The Japanese trader CIS who's been mentioned a few times on these boards also seems to have accumulated some amazing returns.
Meet CIS, Japan’s market-moving enigma who can make millions of yen in his pajamas - The Washington Post
How did that work out for you?