Who is really to blame for the war in Ukraine?

ids said:
It was a very successful but quite standard CIA operation. It finished as the crown jewel of successful U.S. politics. A big war in Europe is a blessing. It is weakening strong "friends" and it is very profitable for U.S. corporations. Russia will be thrown back 15-20 years in history and nobody cares about poor Ukraine. The quid pro quo here is obvious.
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Do you know who cares about Ukraine, the Ukrainians. They want to be independent of Russia.
 
UsualName said:
The truth is that Russians were controlling Ukraine and the Ukrainians did not want it. I don’t know why you would give russia a pass on this.
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the truth is ukrainians didn't want the war, russians didn't want the war

Only The USA wanted the war, there is no war USA doesn't like

so they overthrew legal ukrainian government and put illegal nazi muppets who started bashing eastern ukraine with bombs for 8 years non stop

when Russia tried to defend those people - OMG Russia is an agressor, war crimes, tribunal
 
Putin and company bloviate at length about how NATO was getting stronger and establishing more forward, permanent positions in the region in recent years.

They conveniently forget that they did that because Russia invaded and occupied Crimea.

Russia took Crimea and all the Putin bootlickers, including the ones here, regurgitate the Kremlin party line that Nato was the one becoming more threatening. Even Putin himself has said and continues to say that Ukraine has always been part of Russia so one reason is as good as another. He is going to correct that historical mistake. In fact, Putin is prepared to go country by country all the way to Spain, Sweden, Finland and fifteen or more other countries to explain why they are actually part of Russia. And another fifteencountries in the other direction Central Asia and Japanese islands and on and on. Putin is about as good a historian as he is a military strategist.
 
UsualName said:
Do you know who cares about Ukraine, the Ukrainians. They want to be independent of Russia.
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I wonder why ukrainians are then being caught on streets like wild animals and sent to army?

hm, strange more than being dead and independent of russia ukrainians want to be alive

but no worries, usa already made a choice for them - they must die
 
The war wasn't provoked in the traditional sense. Russia wants strategic depth, mostly for missile defense early warning. Ukraine drifting toward the West and NATO was therefore a threat.
 
ipatent said:
The war wasn't provoked in the traditional sense. Russia wants strategic depth, mostly for missile defense early warning. Ukraine drifting toward the West and NATO was therefore a threat.
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Ukraine is a sovereign nation. Seeing Ukraine drift toward the west and Nato is without a doubt a threat to Putin to given his worldview and plans. It is not a violation of international law to piss Putin off.

I feel threated by Mexico and Central America.

Putin has always acted as a jilted lover toward Ukraine. "Marry me or I will kill you."
 
ipatent said:
The war wasn't provoked in the traditional sense. Russia wants strategic depth, mostly for missile defense early warning. Ukraine drifting toward the West and NATO was therefore a threat.
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A threat doesn't give you the right to attack another country.Russia was a threat to Ukraine yet Ukraine didn't attack Russia.
 
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