Who is really to blame for the war in Ukraine?

[UsualName]

it's getting quite tiring to discuss that it's all started with illegal coup sponsored by the USA in 2014

or we can go to 1991 and mention illegal separation from russia

anyway no matter how you slice it - current people in power in ukraine since 2014 killed russians in eastern ukraine which russia patiently asked them to stop doing for 8 years and those people keep power illegally and russia has full right to remove them

what russia is responsible is what notagain said above - they are guilty because they didn't crush it fast with full force which caused huge human loss and complete devastation in ukraine

So in 1991 Ukraine did not separate from Russia, it left the USSR. In 2014 the Ukrainians overthrew their Kremlin puppet of a leader over his rejection of opening free trade with the EU. The only coup that happened in 2014 was throwing out the Russians from Ukrainian government.

 

[Tony Stark]

it's getting quite tiring to discuss that it's all started with illegal coup sponsored by the USA in 2014

or we can go to 1991 and mention illegal separation from russia

anyway no matter how you slice it - current people in power in ukraine since 2014 killed russians in eastern ukraine which russia patiently asked them to stop doing for 8 years and those people keep power illegally and russia has full right to remove them

what russia is responsible is what notagain said above - they are guilty because they didn't crush it fast with full force which caused huge human loss and complete devastation in ukraine

Ukraine nor The US went into Russia and started killing Russians.

 

[misterkel]

it's getting quite tiring to discuss that it's all started with illegal coup sponsored by the USA in 2014

or we can go to 1991 and mention illegal separation from russia

anyway no matter how you slice it - current people in power in ukraine since 2014 killed russians in eastern ukraine which russia patiently asked them to stop doing for 8 years and those people keep power illegally and russia has full right to remove them

what russia is responsible is what notagain said above - they are guilty because they didn't crush it fast with full force which caused huge human loss and complete devastation in ukraine

Good, simple explanation. Putin / Russia did NOT start this war. Even wikipedia agrees!
But they will finish it. And prolly soon.

 

[Arnie]

The OP has some valid points, but it is all moot now that Vlad has invaded. He could have gotten 90% of what he wanted at the negotiating table. Too late for that now.

 

[FortuneTeller]

Who crossed who's border in the first place?

 

[Tony Stark]

Who crossed who's border in the first place?

Even FT is making sense

 

[elderado]

So in 1991 Ukraine did not separate from Russia, it left the USSR. In 2014 the Ukrainians overthrew their Kremlin puppet of a leader over his rejection of opening free trade with the EU. The only coup that happened in 2014 was throwing out the Russians from Ukrainian government.

You misstated - "Ukranians overthrew" - should be "CIA overthrew"

 

[themickey]

Even FT is making sense

Happens once every blue moon.

 

[ids]

It was a very successful but quite standard CIA operation. It finished as the crown jewel of successful U.S. politics. A big war in Europe is a blessing. It is weakening strong "friends" and it is very profitable for U.S. corporations. Russia will be thrown back 15-20 years in history and nobody cares about poor Ukraine. The quid pro quo here is obvious.

 

[UsualName]

You misstated - "Ukranians overthrew" - should be "CIA overthrew"

Ohh please and the French overthrew the British in the American Revolution according to your logic.

The truth is that Russians were controlling Ukraine and the Ukrainians did not want it. I don’t know why you would give russia a pass on this.