Who is more free between the two ?

[candletrader]

Quote from Holmes:

but then the family can sue for compensation for mistreatment (discrimination etc) and live in comfort happily ever after....And they'll be able to bring their extended family over too....

Sherlock

Good point...

 

[Remiraz]

Quote from candletrader:

The Mexican fisherman should move to a European fishing port and get free healthcare so he can continue to fish and not be affected by health problems... assuming the police don't run after him and apply 8 bullets into his head for no apparent reason, he will most certainly be better off...

European fishing port has free healthcare? So they'll let you fish for free? I'm seriously interested since I'll need some kind of a living while trying to trade.

 

[cakulev]

Quote from aPismoClam:

market makers are part shark, part whale, part manatee.

daytraders are barnacles.

This poll could be modified by voting for the following creatures:
SpongeBob
Squidward
Krusty Krab
Plankton

I suspect most of the people here wants to be Krusty Krab so they can be SpongeBob

 

[bobbyod]

The story is fundamentally flawed, written to appeal to that side of us that would like to sit on the beach, drink beers all day long and get head. Successful businessmen I know strive on the stress and the action, and love knowing other people depend on them, otherwise they'd all be retired when they make their first million or so. And just like successful athletes, they make it look easy while they are at it and ironically enough, get more of the three things I mentioned in the first sentence too. The toys, the money and the women are there just to keep score.

Less responsability does not equal more freedom, quite the opposite actually since the less responsability someone has, the more disposable they are considered by the rest of society.

 

[mogul]

the story is absolutely on point

depending on how entrenched you are in your own culture you will see it one way or another

 

[spect8or]

Not a bad gig while the fish are plentiful and competition non-existant. Wonder what happens to our amigo if the fish run out or competitors willing to follow the Harvard MBA's advice force him to sell so cheap he can't cover costs?

No free lunches. Sadly.

 

[Boy Plunger]

Quote from Grob109:

I turned out to be a fisherman.

Just by serendipity. I got to learn the value of money by working my way through school. Then a person (faculty department head) told me how to get money (he leafed the WSJ with me for an hour). Thus I was given the picture of freedom which told me I was finished with the work ethic part of my life. Freedom reigns.

Sleep…..I stay refreshed but do not sleep much…naps and rest periods mostly

Fish…….Twin path float around……A. create and problem solve as best use of time and B. appreciate capital very rapidly to always have a supply of money.

Play with kids…None possible.. pt teach for 10 years, discovered we COULD have kids after all….

Siesta with wife….do what we wanted anytime we wanted

Village…. live where we wanted…even mostly off the net…self sufficiently, farming (1759 residence)…

Wine…..enjoy it also, make it….

Music….enjoy it also, participate..

Amigos…..working with teams of problem solvers…. write up results….water, air, land, energy, peace… many academic fields…sports..culture..

Didn't you PM months ago and ask if i could teach you how to trade my style ? Perhaps you were phishing then too.

 

[spect8or]

Quote from Cutten:

No way will the businessman stay retired for long - within 3 months he will be bored with retirement and go back on the job. Does a Rupert Murdoch or a Warren Buffett retire?

That's even sadder than the fisherman, who has far more limited choice.

Finally, the businessman's last answer is stupid. With millions in the bank, you wouldn't retire and sip wine in some sh*thole Mexican town. You'd buy a 2nd hand Russian fighter jet and fly at Mach 3 to the edge of space; you'd buy a 300ft icebreaking expedition yacht and explore the North and South poles; you'd buy a sports team or a newspaper and play the tycoon; you'd sponsor the arts or fund a film. To put it another way - you'd have a much more interesting life than some boring old fart slowly growing old in the middle of nowhere.

In theory, yes - but how many businessman do you know of actually doing any of this?

Your first paragraph is much more likely. Bored in retirement, so back to the boardroom dealing with the same packs of scheming, back-stabbing, ass kissing, sold-my-soul-for-a-dollar fucksticks trying to be the next me. Why? Because after a lifetime of it, it's all I know. How exciting. (My kids aren't any consolation, either. Spoilt rotten since day one - I didn't mean it, but giving them money I could rush them out of my sight and back to business so much quicker than listening to their problems and helping them address them - they're too lazy to even bother getting out of bed to waste their days. Much easier to just snort coke and stay home.)

 

[FredBloggs]

its like this....



there are 2 stories here. at one extreme there is the life with peace and simplicity. no material progress. no problems.

the other extreme a load of hard work, guts, glory, ego, material - for getting over problems.


so the story appeals to those who havent decided which life they want. this way they can have it both.

then the businessmen and fishermen discuss ....freedom is the choice and right to do either one.

 

[mogul]

Quote from Cutten:

Neither is more free. The fisherman is following his nature - which is to fish. The businessmen is also following his nature - which is to do business.

No way will the businessman stay retired for long - within 3 months he will be bored with retirement and go back on the job. Does a Rupert Murdoch or a Warren Buffett retire?

The fisherman also makes a basic mistake - he keeps asking "then what?" Well, the businessman could equally ask "then what?" to the fisherman. What does he do after the 100th drinking session with his friends, doesn't he get bored and yearn for some challenge, some adventure, instead of following the same dull routine for the rest of his life? The fisherman can't see that the point of doing business is to enjoy doing business and to do it well, not to arrive at some end goal. Like they say, the money is just how you keep score.

Finally, the businessman's last answer is stupid. With millions in the bank, you wouldn't retire and sip wine in some sh*thole Mexican town. You'd buy a 2nd hand Russian fighter jet and fly at Mach 3 to the edge of space; you'd buy a 300ft icebreaking expedition yacht and explore the North and South poles; you'd buy a sports team or a newspaper and play the tycoon; you'd sponsor the arts or fund a film. To put it another way - you'd have a much more interesting life than some boring old fart slowly growing old in the middle of nowhere.

greed and attachment