Who is America?

[Max E.]

Yes, let's rely on an unsourced excel chart by some random cultist.

And by the way, you guys have complete control, where are your ACA replacements - all you do is complain and complain how things aren't perfect but other than making things worse, offer no solutions.

Think about it for a second, you cant pay for people with pre-existing conditions, and have the price go down, its an economic impossibility, now we could have an argument all day on whether or not we SHOULD support people with pre-existing conditions, but the fact of the matter is it cant happen without someone paying the piper, that is the reason why obamacare sent rates soaring, and doctors dropped out...... you guys were true believers....... in my belief we need to talk about what to do with those people, but there is literally no economic model that would have them getting healthcare for free while the price goes down, its a lie on Obama's part, and its a lie in which only someone who is incredibly inept could believe to be true.

 

[Cuddles]

Considering ACA changed the structure of many plans, it's rich that someone is able to directly compare the changes with such accuracy.

I only have a cursory understanding of the ACA, but I agreed with most of the bullet points, and it pissed off big insurance companies and right wingers, so by inference, it must be excellent legislation.

 

[exGOPer]

Think about it for a second, you cant pay for people with pre-existing conditions, and have the price go down, its an economic impossibility, now we could have an argument all day on whether or not we SHOULD support people with pre-existing conditions, but the fact of the matter is it cant happen without someone paying the piper, that is the reason why obamacare sent rates soaring, and doctors dropped out...... they were true believers, so in my belief we need to talk about what to do with those people, but there is literally no economic model that would have them getting healthcare for free while the price goes down, its a lie on Obama's part, and its only a lie someone who is incredibly inept could believe.

Again, ACA levied extra taxes to pay for that crowd plus if you bring in everyone into the pool using mandates, that means the risks are evened out. The government subsidized a whole lot of poor healthy people to get into the pool and the only one who were worst affected were freeloaders or out of pocket guys. You are not paying anything different than you were prior to ACA when 10% increases were the norm - look up the data yourself.

 

[Max E.]

and the only one who were worst affected were freeloaders or out of pocket guys.

So Theres one group your willing to admit paid more, "Young people..."

How bout businesses was ACA good for businesses?

Was ACA good for "Self Employed people"


Who was ACA good for in terms of price? Heres a hint it was good for the people who couldnt afford healthcare, which is fine, in many peoples eyes, but when you sell it as a plan thats going to lower the cost of middle class people's healthcare and instead it doubles it, you should expect a backlash. The fact of the matter is the only people who got healthcare cheaper based on the ACA were people who didnt have healthcare, and people who didnt have a job, it was another boondoggle from the government that fucked the middle class.

 

[Max E.]

Yes, let's rely on an unsourced excel chart by some random cultist.
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Sourced by forbes.

You must have just made a simple typo there, like when you called me a racist.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...are-act-that-increased-premiums/#2532113311d2

 

[exGOPer]

So Theres one group your willing to admit paid more, "Young people..."

How bout businesses was ACA good for businesses?

Was ACA good for "Self Employed people"


Who was ACA good for in terms of price? Heres a hint it was good for the people who couldnt afford healthcare, which is fine, in many peoples eyes, but when you sell it as a plan thats going to lower the cost of middle class people's healthcare and instead it doubles it, you should expect a backlash. The fact of the matter is the only people who got healthcare cheaper based on the ACA were people who didnt have healthcare, and people who didnt have a job, it was another boondoggle that fucked the middle class.

Yes, young people who could afford paid more, the people who paid most were the super rich, ACA enacted a series of tax rises on them which is why GOP went apeshit about it.

As for who was it better for - again it depends on where you were prior to ACA and where are you now. ACA has done nothing worse than how the system was prior to it, but now because you have a boogeyman, you can blame decades of a shit insurance market on ACA.

 

[exGOPer]

Sourced by forbes.

Youmust have just made a simple typo there, like when you called me a racist.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...are-act-that-increased-premiums/#2532113311d2

Of course it was, written by a paid shill - literally. That explains his shit chart and shit logic.

https://www.americanactionforum.org/experts/robert-book/

I link you to factcheck, I link you to Brookings - you link me to a lobbyist and his shit excel chart.

 

[Max E.]

Yes, young people who could afford paid more,

This is an interesting philosophy, so young people who are generally healthy, going to university, living on minimum wage, can afford to pay more? Under what model can you prove that one?

 

[Max E.]

Of course it was, written by a paid shill - literally. That explains his shit chart and shit logic.

https://www.americanactionforum.org/experts/robert-book/

I link you to factcheck, I link you to Brookings - you link me to a lobbyist and his shit excel chart.

You link me to 2 left wing institutions i link you to one that is much closer to the center and im the bad guy.

 

[exGOPer]

This is an interesting philosophy, so young people who are generally healthy, going to university, living on minimum wage, can afford to pay more? Under what model can you prove that one?

Can you even read? You think people living on minimum wage were subject to ACA mandate?