Who do you want to win the war?

Quote from MondoTrader:

The united states has never gone to war with a democracy, proven fact.

Except the American Indian nations... Some of which had democratic rules. I think your rule would work by saying ... with a democracy that believes in western property rights (in the way Locke described).
 
Quote from msfe:



not quite

George III (1760-1820 AD)

George III was born in 1738, first son of Frederick, Prince of Wales and Augusta. He married Charlotte of Mecklinburg-Strelitz in 1761, to whom he was devoted. The couple produced a prolific fifteen children: nine sons and six daughters. George was afflicted with porphyria, a maddening disease which disrupted his reign as early as 1765. Several attacks strained his grip on reality and debilitated him in the last years of his reign. Personal rule was given to his son George, the Prince Regent, in 1811. George III died blind, deaf and mad at Windsor Castle on January 29, 1820.


George IV (1820-30 AD)

George IV, eldest son of George III and Charlotte, was born August 12, 1762. He secretly married his first wife, the Catholic widow Maria Fitzherbert, in 1785 without his father's permission. The marriage was declared illegal at his father's behest; had the marriage been allowed to continue, George would have been ineligible to reign with a Catholic wife. In 1795, he married again, this time to his cousin Caroline of Brunswick, who bore him one daughter, Charlotte. He died on June 26, 1830 after a series of strokes brought on a hemorrhage in his stomach.

George IV was the antithesis of his father: conservative in his infrequent political involvement and licentious in affairs of the heart. Although he was scandalous with his mistresses and extravagant in his spending, he was a patron of the arts who left many wonderful artifacts for posterity. He had his father's immense book collection donated as the foundation of the British Museum Library and his penchant for building projects inspired the "Regency" style of architecture. His extravagances, however, came at a time of social distress and general misery following the Napoleonic Wars and the tremendous changes brought forth by the industrial revolution.

George's amorous nature was highly controversial. As Prince Regent, he had many mistresses until he secretly married Maria. After her dismissal from court, George again turned to mistresses until he submitted to his father's wishes by marrying Caroline. The couple detested each other and their marriagewas barely intact when their daughter was born in 1796. Caroline took the child and moved to Italy, returning to England when George succeeded his father, and then only to claim the rights of queen. George managed to have her barred from his coronation, denying her queenship.

George was an enigma: bright, witty and able on the one hand, indolent, spoiled, and lazy on the other. The Duke of Wellington described him as such: "He was the most extraordinary compound of talent, wit, buffoonery, obstinacy, and good feelings, in short, a medley of the most opposite qualities, with a great preponderance of good - that I ever saw in any character in my life."

The issue is whether or not the country was ruled by Monarchy, or a democratic process.

GB was still under the rule of Monarchy...not a prime minister elected by a democratic process.

Once again, you would not let the facts get in the way of propaganda, would you Wild?

 
Quote from mohammedakram:

I voted for Iraq to keel the Yankee Imperyalists.



HEY MOHAMMED, They haven't cut your electric power yet there in Baghdad?

I say on 9/12/2001 we should have nuked Afghanistan & Iraq. Then we would pose the question "Anybody else want to F*uck with us?":D
 
who cares what people "think"???who cares who you are rooting for???? This isn't a f#ing basketball game ...this is war....we will prevail and we will kill 100,000 Iraqi's and it's all the fault of MSFE, France and Germany....If SH was facing a united front from the begining, he would have collpased and disarmed and it would have ended...they gave him the openign and these dumb ass peacenik protestes are KILLING more troops with every televised protest....IF SH thoughthe was isolated he would have taken exile in Saudia Arabia or libya by now....Instead he's hiding under ground hoping that we will stop ...thus more people will have to die.
 
"So you think we should invade countries that terrorize their citizens?? "

Absolutely. And as the only remaining super power and the strongest Democracy on earth, we actually have a RESPONSIBILITY to do so. We have double responsibility in Iraq since we got mixed up with him in the 1980's.

There is self interest in this whole thing, but it is simply to attack our natural enemies to insure our own survival. That is what WWII was about, that is what the cold war was about, and that is what Gulf War II is about.
 
Quote from OPTIONAL777:



Don't know why you are fearful. I am an American living in America, you must be afraid of, or ashamed of where you live.

Native Argetinian, by generations of Argentinians, or by way of German <i>immigrants</i> after WWII?


"I'm afraid" is a figure of speech, Optional. I'm not actually fearful (nor ashamed), I just prefer not to state where I live.

I'm not sure what you were attempting to imply by the German immigrants comment, but I can assure you that the chances of YOU being a German immigrant (why the italics?), given that you live in the United States, are far higher than mine.

This all beside the point, anyway.
If you want to play these pre-teen games, find someone else.

My nationality and where I live have no bearing at all on my opinions on this matter. (As much as you might like to believe otherwise.)
 
Quote from OPTIONAL777:



Due process. Hmm.

By whose standards of due process? By Saddam's standards of due process, or by France's standards, or by the Bush's administration's standards of due process.

exactly the point. so long as it's America's standard, Americans seem to have little problem with it, which makes perfect sense.

the problem is what if China (or Pakistan, or Russia, or whichever country with substantial military/nuclear power) decides that its standards should apply instead, and those standards are in conflict with America's. that is the reason the rules are supposed to be agreed upon and enforced by consensus, isn't it?
 
Quote from MondoTrader:

The united states has never gone to war with a democracy, proven fact.

Government Iraq

Country name:

conventional long form: Republic of Iraq
conventional short form: Iraq
local short form: Al Iraq
local long form: Al Jumhuriyah al Iraqiyah

Government type:

republic

Capital:

Baghdad

Administrative divisions:

18 governorates (muhafazat, singular - muhafazah); Al Anbar, Al Basrah, Al Muthanna, Al Qadisiyah, An Najaf, Arbil, As Sulaymaniyah, At Ta'mim, Babil, Baghdad, Dahuk, Dhi Qar, Diyala, Karbala', Maysan, Ninawa, Salah ad Din, Wasit

Independence:

3 October 1932 (from League of Nations mandate under British administration)

National holiday:

Revolution Day, 17 July (1968)

Constitution:

22 September 1968, effective 16 July 1970 (provisional constitution); new constitution drafted in 1990 but not adopted

Legal system:

based on Islamic law in special religious courts, civil law system elsewhere; has not accepted compulsory ICJ jurisdiction

Suffrage:

18 years of age; universal

Executive branch:

chief of state: President SADDAM Husayn (since 16 July 1979); Vice Presidents Taha Muhyi al-Din MARUF (since 21 April 1974) and Taha Yasin RAMADAN (since 23 March 1991)
elections: president and vice presidents elected by a two-thirds majority of the Revolutionary Command Council; regular election last held 17 October 1995 (next scheduled for 2002); note - in place of the 2002 election, a presidential referendum was held on 15 October 2002 in which the presidency of SADDAM Husayn was extended for a fifth consecutive seven-year term
election results: SADDAM Husayn reelected president; percent of vote - 99%; Taha Muhyi al-Din MARUF and Taha Yasin RAMADAN elected vice presidents; percent of vote - NA%; note - in a presidential referendum held 15 October 2002, SADDAM Husayn's term was extended for another seven years
cabinet: Council of Ministers; note - there is also a Revolutionary Command Council or RCC with eight members as of 2001 (Chairman SADDAM Husayn, Vice Chairman Izzat IBRAHIM al-Duri) which controls the ruling Ba'th Party; the RCC is the highest executive and legislative body and the most powerful political entity in the country; new RCC members must come from the Regional Command Leadership of the Ba'th Party
head of government: Prime Minister SADDAM Husayn (since 29 May 1994); Deputy Prime Ministers Tariq Mikhail AZIZ (since NA 1979), Hikmat Mizban Ibrahim al-AZZAWI (since 30 July 1999), Ahmad Husayn al-KHUDAYIR (since NA July 2001), and Abd al-Tawab Mullah al-HUWAYSH (since NA July 2001)
Legislative branch:
unicameral National Assembly or Majlis al-Watani (250 seats; 30 appointed by the president to represent the three northern provinces of Dahuk, Arbil, and As Sulaymaniyah; 220 elected by popular vote; members serve four-year terms)
elections: last held 27 March 2000 (next to be held NA March 2004)
election results: percent of vote by party - NA%; seats by party - NA

Judicial branch:

Court of Cassation

Political parties and leaders:

Ba'th Party [SADDAM Husayn, central party leader]

Political pressure groups and leaders:

any formal political activity must be sanctioned by the government; opposition to regime from Kurdish groups and southern Shi'a dissidents

International organization participation:

ABEDA, ACC, AFESD, AL, AMF, CAEU, CCC, EAPC, ESCWA, FAO, G-19, G-77, IAEA, IBRD, ICAO, ICRM, IDA, IDB, IFAD, IFC, IFRCS, ILO, IMF, IMO, Interpol, IOC, ISO, ITU, NAM, OAPEC, OIC, OPEC, PCA, UN, UNCTAD, UNESCO, UNIDO, UPU, WFTU, WHO, WIPO, WMO, WToO

Diplomatic representation in the US:

none; note - Iraq has an Interest Section in the Algerian Embassy headed by Akram AL DOURI; address: Iraqi Interests Section, Algerian Embassy, 1801 P Street NW, Washington, DC 20036; telephone: [1] (202) 483-7500; FAX: [1] (202) 462-5066

Diplomatic representation from the US:

none; note - the US has an Interests Section in the Polish Embassy in Baghdad; address: P. O. Box 2051 Hay Babel, Baghdad; telephone: [964] (1) 718-9267; FAX: [964] (1) 718-9297

Flag description:

three equal horizontal bands of red (top), white, and black with three green five-pointed stars in a horizontal line centered in the white band; the phrase ALLAHU AKBAR (God is Great) in green Arabic script - Allahu to the right of the middle star and Akbar to the left of the middle star - was added in January 1991 during the Persian Gulf crisis; similar to the flag of Syria which has two stars but no script and the flag of Yemen which has a plain white band; also similar to the flag of Egypt which has a symbolic eagle centered in the white band
 
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