Quote from alfonso:
In the sense that you BELIEVE you have created the greatest system of national governance in the world and, come hell or high water, you are gonna shove it down the throats of the rest of the world whether they like it or not!
Are you starting to get it yet?
Are you starting to understand that the world DOESN'T WANT YOU exporting your famous lifestyles into their backyards.
"Oh, oh, oh, goodnes gracious, who's going to protect the world from tyranny and 'maintain a sense of order'"? You're goddamn right it ought to be the UN. And your arrogance COULD NOT come any higher than claiming it's just a euphamism for US.
I guess it never occurred to you, mr patriotism, that other countries do, in fact, have military capabilities. You must be in shock and awe over the revelation!
Now, let me ask you, who is going to protect the rest of the world from the Mafia-style extortionist US government? Hmmm??????
The fact is, my simple minded interlocutor, it's not compassion that motivates your government to act, it's the opportunity for personal gain. Of course, as I agreed, the world has never been any different, but at least admit that you're maintaining the (slightly evolved) status quo, rather than rattling off feel good humanitarian slogans.
Go and read your history books hapa. You, like all the other great patriots on here, have been bamboozled by the propaganda spread by your corrupt administrations.
Yeah, yeah. "It's all rhetoric." "Conspiracy theories." Ho boy. If I live to 100 I bet I'd never see a greater irony than being called naive by a pack of self righteos automatons like the US public.
"We cannot be content to "simply be just another nation" because that is not what we are. Like it or not, we are the sole superpower on the globe, and with it comes massive responsibility. "
Massive responsibility for your leadership to line its pockets.
Foreign policy according to hapaboy: It's right because we can.
Interestingly enough, so many of the folks who claim to not be able to stand America would do almost anything to:
a) get here
b) share in our benefits and fruits
c) have our protection from those who wish to harm on them
Do you know where the world would be if we'd decide to agree with your concept? What would be the outcome of your masses out there should we:
a) send no relief because we could use (and appreciate) it better
b) not send our tax dollars out there because we need them here
c) forbid and make illegal our US companies from doing any major business with any non-American aligned country
d) forbid and make illegal ownership of any American entity by anyone (or company) not controlled by at least 90% American "Born" shareholders as we should benefit first and foremost from things done in this country
e) bring back 90% of all the internationally stationed military to establish a better perimeter defense here at home
f) promote and fiscally reward American companies "Extensively" who can unequivocally prove compliance with a new "Employ only folks with US citizenship" rules
g) establish a new company paid "foreign trade tax" so that any goods sold overseas were taxed on this side of the water to recover any perceived lost spending power
These practices should lead to spurring new companies/entities in the rest of the world to replace old nasty American capitalists. Their new self-investment and internal growth would be a good thing for everyone. I'd rather they develop their own lands NOW rather than leave them, come here, and long for the day when they can return.
Couple that with a new "Limited Immigrants" program with real tangible numerical goals and you might have something. Sort of based on establishing that you must have a temporary citizenship approval BEFORE you come here. No initial approvals on this side of the water.
And even then (once here), there should be at least a four year reporting program (with unequivocal "return-to-your-country" teeth in the penalty) in which you must show/prove your need, desire, interest and wishes to become an AMERICAN. No, it's not beneficial to a foreigner who is just here for some of the benefits. And it isn't a roll-over plan where you get multiple extensions to test out the new country's fit. And it - MUST BE APPLIED TO ALL WHO COME HERE!!! SAUDI's included!
Even though we might improve our lot here in doing so, I'm sure we would further dominate the world with all the natural benefits here. That would further widen the gap between us all, and yes it would be all our fault for over-achieving again (Guess that means they would hate us even more). Countries removing investment here would cause some discomfort for a time. Do you realize that we are a major profit center for so many around the globe? Poor Toyota, Mercedes, Nissan, Sony, Mitsubishi, Nokia and the like. They now would have to try to sell massive amounts of cars and other products to, ????
The shear loss of America as a major trade outlet (as some would advocate) would surely doom many peoples out there. And what a boon for the new American entities that would step up and fill the gaps here at home. The need for new facilities and a growing American based workforce would do wonders for the economy here. Any country that decided to embargo would surely spur new American outlets to form thereby strengthening our fiscal economy even more.
No cheap and easy oil you say? While they might appear stupid, the oil true producers really aren't. Remember, they are fiscally linked in there. They depend on (must have) the sale of that black stuff too! They are addicted to that capital flow for their own power. New drilling at home, more purchases from Mexico, Africa, and a newly revised and enhanced South America would prove a formidable stabilizer.
Sure, there would be short term grief, political posturing and open protests here at home. Our prices for the liquid stuff might even fall in line with what the rest of the world pays for it. But spelled out to the American peoples properly and tied to the resurgence in SERIOUS alternative fuel research....
What you speak of just might work for us selfish, self-centered, lazy, luxury seeking American born capitalists. But please remember, "YOU have to be very careful right now about what you ask for. In these times, with our feelings of puzzlement and confusion on all the international posturing and the feelings of betrayal that don't get ANY concern or reporting over there, you just might get it!"
