Who do you want to win the war?

Excellent post, msfe.

You can all laugh and call msfe names, but this is telling the real story.

Why do you think there are insufficient funds to fix up these decaying schools?
Becuase there's nothing in it for the fat cats! How much more blindingly obvious does it need to get!
 
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Okay Optional, I'll admit that I'm being somewhat idealistic. (Which also a relative term.)

Regarding your analogies, they are good ones, but you do realize that the superpowers of the past all tended to be empires?
If so, I agree that the American empire is indeed the most humanitarian of them all.

My question is, why does it have to be an empire at all? Why can't it be content to simply be just another nation? As it was, for the most part, before its emergence from WW2 and the Cold War as the big dog on the block.

And by empire, I don't mean the classical colonizer, a la Britain, Rome etc. Imperialism itself has also evolved. To the point where you don't need to always physically conquer a nation and take away its land and resources. Comparable results can be achieved via other means.
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Apart from 911, we would not be having this discussion.

It is a new world now, at least for America, and I suspect it will take decades or more for us to figure out how to deal with terrorism.

When we were in the cold war with Russia, we simply built more nukes.

Now it is different. This will take time, and we will make mistakes.

Now we are the only real superpower, which means most other countries will have a love/hate relationship with us.

Given our political structure, we could change our approach in as little as a couple of years with the 2004 election which could bring a brand new administration and congress. As quickly as we changed from Clinton to Bush, we could go from Bush to someone compeletly different.

America is quite fluid, and has shown an amazing ability to grow and evolve over the course of our history.

The world should hope the trend continues.

It is my hope, and belief, that we will come out the better for it.
 
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Comp, you've been hoodwinked dude. You've been sold a rotten bill of goods and you don't even have the sense to ask for a refund.

This crap's not about national security. It's about lining the pockets of the fat cats at the top of the pecking order that stand most to gain from it. Some things in human history never change.

The funny thing is, I'm the one being called naive.
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Yes our country will benefit off of this, so what money is money and human life is only as good as the life it leads, it is our economy that is the ancor for all the others so everybody will benefit. Watch the correlations between all the indexs.

So yes you are nieve. But I like the lingo you are getting better you little american wannabe.

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It is my hope, and belief, that we will come out the better for it.
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Well, I should certainly imagine you would! It's hardly going to be some OTHER country that benefits from your shenanigans.

(Although just how much Joe Sixpack gets out the deal is questionable. But, go on, keep gulping down the lies your Big Chief is feeding you; it's all security, it's all humanitarian. Oh, but yeah, I forgot; I'm the naive one.)
 
Al-Jazeera’s Web sites defaced



By Robert Lemos


March 27 — Visitors to both the Arabic and English version of the Al-Jazeera Web site on Thursday were greeted with an American flag and a pro-U.S. message, the work of an apparent online vandal. The controversial Middle Eastern news service apparently had their domain hijacked. The actual defacement is served from a second server elsewhere on the Web.
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Ok IM BACK NOW...WHAT DID I MISS???
 
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Bush's defence adviser quits in row over conflict of interest

Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles
Friday March 28, 2003
The Guardian

Richard Perle, a chief architect of the war on Iraq, resigned yesterday as chairman of the influential defence policy board following allegations that he faced a serious conflict of interest over his corporate connections. The US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld yesterday accepted his resignation but asked him to remain on the board.

Mr Perle, 61, nicknamed the Prince of Darkness, has long been one of the leading hawks advising President Bush to use military force to dislodge Saddam Hussein. He has argued that it represented an opportunity to restructure the Middle East.

His role as an unpaid defence department adviser has been seen as crucial in persuading Mr Bush to pursue the war which he has been advocating since September 11. Critics and commentators have suggested that he was seriously compromised by his dual roles as corporate consultant and defence adviser. The criticism finally appears to have had its effect.

In a letter expressing his concerns to Mr Rumsfeld, Mr Perle wrote: "As I cannot quickly or easily quell criticism of me based on errors of fact concerning my activities, the least I can do under these circumstances is to ask you to accept my resignation as chairman of the defence policy board." He has agreed to stay on in a minor role.

Mr Perle has been involved with the bankrupt Global Crossing firm and stands to receive $725,000 for his work on their behalf in effecting a sale of the company. The sale has to be agreed by the defence department which has led to conflict of interest questions.

Mr Perle has said that any profits he made would be given to relatives of American servicemen killed or injured in Iraq. In his resignation letter, he said that he could not continue because of the controversy and its distracting effects. Mr Rumsfeld replied by describing Mr Perle as "a man of integrity and honour".

Last week, the Guardian revealed that a British company linked to Mr Perle and dealing with secret intelligence is among the few UK commercial organisations that stand to profit from the Iraq war.

The Cambridge-based Autonomy Corporation, with Mr Perle's help, has been selling advanced computer eavesdropping systems to intelligence agencies around the world. Mr Perle is a director of Autonomy with an option on 75,000 of the company's shares. He advises the company on market opportunities but said he had no input into specific procurement decisions by US agencies.
 
Day late a dollar short you little Pig Fauker!

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Bush's defence adviser quits in row over conflict of interest

Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles
Friday March 28, 2003
The Guardian

Richard Perle, a chief architect of the war on Iraq, resigned yesterday as chairman of the influential defence policy board following allegations that he faced a serious conflict of interest over his corporate connections. The US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld yesterday accepted his resignation but asked him to remain on the board.

Mr Perle, 61, nicknamed the Prince of Darkness, has long been one of the leading hawks advising President Bush to use military force to dislodge Saddam Hussein. He has argued that it represented an opportunity to restructure the Middle East.

His role as an unpaid defence department adviser has been seen as crucial in persuading Mr Bush to pursue the war which he has been advocating since September 11. Critics and commentators have suggested that he was seriously compromised by his dual roles as corporate consultant and defence adviser. The criticism finally appears to have had its effect.

In a letter expressing his concerns to Mr Rumsfeld, Mr Perle wrote: "As I cannot quickly or easily quell criticism of me based on errors of fact concerning my activities, the least I can do under these circumstances is to ask you to accept my resignation as chairman of the defence policy board." He has agreed to stay on in a minor role.

Mr Perle has been involved with the bankrupt Global Crossing firm and stands to receive $725,000 for his work on their behalf in effecting a sale of the company. The sale has to be agreed by the defence department which has led to conflict of interest questions.

Mr Perle has said that any profits he made would be given to relatives of American servicemen killed or injured in Iraq. In his resignation letter, he said that he could not continue because of the controversy and its distracting effects. Mr Rumsfeld replied by describing Mr Perle as "a man of integrity and honour".

Last week, the Guardian revealed that a British company linked to Mr Perle and dealing with secret intelligence is among the few UK commercial organisations that stand to profit from the Iraq war.

The Cambridge-based Autonomy Corporation, with Mr Perle's help, has been selling advanced computer eavesdropping systems to intelligence agencies around the world. Mr Perle is a director of Autonomy with an option on 75,000 of the company's shares. He advises the company on market opportunities but said he had no input into specific procurement decisions by US agencies.
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