Who are the top five stock trading guru's who teach their methods?

Quote from marketsurfer:

JWH is an asset gathering machine, nothing more. Try 20% of the profits-- calculate it out--

VN had 100% years also, in fact, he took a small amount $50k if i recall, into 20 million at one point. Ask JWH investors who just started with him what they think about "trend following" NIederhoffer is high risk for high rewards, the investors know this.

surf

Yes...20% of PROFITS which means the better he did...more he made. He wasn't one of these 10 billion dollar funds that made 4% a year while collecting 2% of AUM. He was the farthest thing from an "asset gathering machine".

What about asking people who invested in VN right before he imploded?

At the end of the day, if you look at since inception, JWH investors did MUCH better than VN's. Actually VN's did worse...could have lost all fo their money TWICE.
 
Quote from taowave:

Surf,Oneil is a trader.

If hes dead right hes an investor

If he is s down 7-8% he is out..

Heavily influenced by Darvas and Wyckoff.

Yes, a longer term trader. this begs the question, are trend followers traders or buy and hope investors? Guys like JWH and Dunn have massive drawdowns but just keep on holding and hoping things turn around--having enough money to hang in there, fortunately for them, things do turn often-- but, man, what a way to invest! surf
 
Quote from traderchi128:

Yes...20% of PROFITS which means the better he did...more he made. He wasn't one of these 10 billion dollar funds that made 4% a year while collecting 2% of AUM. He was the farthest thing from an "asset gathering machine".

What about asking people who invested in VN right before he imploded?

At the end of the day, if you look at since inception, JWH investors did MUCH better than VN's. Actually VN's did worse...could have lost all fo their money TWICE.

VN is a tiny fish compared to the behemoths like JWH-- but he is much more of an actual trader than any trend following buy and hoper.

surf
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

VN

You should really ask him to join the Combine... :)

But seriously, I would like to see these big names given a small account and see what they can do in a month.
 
Quote from Pekelo:

You should really ask him to join the Combine... :)

But seriously, I would like to see these big names given a small account and see what they can do in a month.

That would be interesting!

But VN is way too busy managing his millions and setting up his next move into the markets.

surf
 
Quote from jack hershey:

All you learn is the End Effect of a given trend.

the Failure To Tranverse is the beginning of the next trend and also simultaneously the End Effect of the present trend.

Behold

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Quote from jack hershey:

LOL....

"The best medicine"

1. Leading indicators are trend lines, s/r or any other fractal boundaries

2. "Events" are the intersection of price to these boundaries

3. "Granularity" is the zigzag nature of price action - never straight, never a continuous curve, no matter what time frame

4. "Failure to Traverse" is itself an event, although I haven't figured out the leading indicator for it yet
 
Quote from icarus618:

Number 1 has to be William J. O'Neil by a mile.

Hi Icarus,

Thanks for that suggestion. It looks like Mr. O'Neil is more focused on investing than trading.

Do you know if he is posting his trades in a particular place open to the public?

I see his newspaper online via http://www.investors.com/default.htm?fromad=1, but not a place where he is posting his trades or thoughts about trading on a daily basis.

Evan
 
Quote from jack hershey:

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This thread is OP'ed by a research organization. Certainly they need a catchy "brand" to capture those who need financial information in a timely manner.

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By watching the development of the "brand" in this thread, you get to see how information is processed, signals are developed, and timely trading action is executable.

A trade always comes AFTER the signal information which is a leading signal of price in the market.

There is NO MOMENT in the market's operation when a trader HAS to be on the wrong side of the market.

Anyone can see the market unfolding. All market fractals are interlocking in a fixed and certain manner. VN has never understood why there are no older "rambo's" in the financial industry.
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Expert traders take the full offer of the market segment by segment on the trading fractal they choose. Trends only do one thing: begin, have a middle and end. Further, there is an identity between the beginning and the end (except for the aspect of opposite sentiments.

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The interlocking fractal nature of the market explains all. It begins with the granularity of the markets. Granularity and events are the foundation of the singular pattern. Specifically the Order Of Events.

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It is very very reasoned to know that you know the Failure To Tranverse is the beginning of the next trend and also simultaneously the End Effect of the present trend.

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Hello Again, Jack Hershey,

It's true I'm working on research, but not as a research organization.

I'm simply looking for people with defined trading styles, who share, or are willing to share, their process and points for entry and exit, so I can test if our own proprietary indicators can help improve the success rates of their trades.

Since we have developed and patented the first ever technology able to deliver, track, process and record Level II and Level IV™ data for up to 1,000 symbols simultaneously per user... and as we can record the same for over 30,000 symbols on the server side... it's giving us a unique opportunity to explore just what can be done with this data.

So far, we are finding our proprietary indicators are offering unprecedented confirmation tools for the early adoptors/traders using them.

For example, our "Insiders Montage™" counts in real time, for each Symbol and Market Maker, how many times today and in the last 3 minutes, they have been first, following, or last at a new Inside Bid or Ask.

With Level II, Market Makers can hide their volume, but not their presence on the Inside Bid or Ask. However, the data changes faster than eyes can track or monitors redraw. Still, the data is there, and for the first time ever, it's being counted in a variety of ways with these indicators.

We are learning that by counting these bid/ask refreshes, we can track pressures in an entirely new way.

With people using trend-line analysis of various sorts to determine support and resistance, often times the biggest question relates to whether that support or resistance will maintain, or be transcended. It's uncanny to see how clearly our tools answer that question in real time, for either a single symbol, or a list.

Our team started with people who did trade, trying to make better tools for for traders. They've been working so hard and long in developing this technology, they can no longer call them selves traders. That's why we are focusing on this quest for successful traders to test the technology upon.

I'd still love to talk by phone if you were willing, as I must admit some of what you type is too cryptic for me, though I can see you are well respected here,

In any case, it's fun to read all the discussion and debate generated so far in this thread. I'm certainly expanding my own horizons!

Thanks Again,
 
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