Who are the top five stock trading guru's who teach their methods?

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Quote from EvanC:

Hello Everyone,

Who do you feel are the top five stock trading guru's who teach their methods? And why?

I'm doing some research and was asked to review the trading methods of some of the top traders/instructors, so we could see how their methods would apply with some of the novel features of our own Level IV Software.

To that end, I'd appreciate any leads you can give me.

:)

Evan
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I really don't understand why you just didn't post a "poll" that asked traders to list whom they consider to be "top trading guru's that teach their methods". You can then contact those gurus to see if they're willing to work with you.

You request new rabbit holes to explore

Yet, if you know how to use Google search...you'll probably get your answer a lot faster instead of trying to read through this thread of debates and arguments that's commonplace here at this particular forum in comparison to other forums.

Have you consider exploring trading contest winners or top 10 placers because some of them are "trading gurus" that don't share their methods or vendors that do share their methods. In fact, I think there's a thread here at ET by some organization that has a trading contest (e.g Automated Trading thread). Yet, if automation isn't your interest, you can contact top traders that Dukascopy monitors although most of them are outside of North America and only a few are actual vendors.

Hint: Review top place winners in the dozens of trading contest from all over the world because some of the place winners are "trading gurus" hiding behind funny user names.

Another source is just review ET sponsor list posted down at the bottom of this website on every page or shown via occasional ads you see showcasing here at this forum or any other forum you may be a member of because you should have known better to try to gain your list via talking to traders that don't even use the methods of those they're supporting or arguing about. :D
 
Quote from jack hershey:

Trends only do one thing: begin, have a middle and end. Further, there is an identity between the beginning and the end (except for the aspect of opposite sentiments.

There is only one thing to learn to be able to take the full offer of the markets.

All you learn is the End Effect of a given trend.

One pattern emerges.

the Failure To Tranverse is the beginning of the next trend and also simultaneously the End Effect of the present trend.
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I don't speak JHM NLP, but I think I understand this.

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Quote from traderchi128:

No Surf. I stick to facts. Something you obviously can't grasp. Everything I've stated has been facts. Show me where I am wrong.

JWH had some giant years with over 100% returns. He didn't make his money by taking 2% of AUM.

Sure JWH has had a bad run the last few years, but his investors faired much much better than VN's who were left holding next to nothing at the end.
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JWH is an asset gathering machine, nothing more. Try 20% of the profits-- calculate it out--

VN had 100% years also, in fact, he took a small amount $50k if i recall, into 20 million at one point. Ask JWH investors who just started with him what they think about "trend following" NIederhoffer is high risk for high rewards, the investors know this.

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Surf and I have had this conversation in the past.

In 2003 I wrote this... and I wrote this a few years later as well.


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Pabst I recognize your posts in the past as having good trading insight but my question to you is this? Are there not ways to trade that will have good returns untill you blow up. Isn't that what LTCM did. Isn't that the way of selling premium when it is pumped up. Isn't that what VN did. That is not good trading it is gambling. Now if he had discipline and took his losses after certain points-- and he was able to do that and make money-- you might call him a trader but from what I read he was a gambler and got nailed at least twice and maybe again.

So you have this fund you recognise a statistical anomaly you make money. Then it stops working you sell premium when it is pumped up- probably in the same intrument that is moving outside your statistcal norms. Wow market snaps back you are a genius untill the time it does not snap back. Trader or gambler?

Now add in the fact you are trusted with other people money. What type of person are you now when you understand the game you are playing. You hold yourself out as a statiscal genius but if you really understood statistics you would heed the advice of soros or your buddy who wrote the book Fooled by Randomness. Instead you blow up again. and again maybe?

Pabst his record supports the academics who argue for the efficient market hypothesis, not for being a good trader.


Also Pabst if the point of being skilled vs blowing up is tenuous than we have very different opinions of what makes a trader vs a gambler.
 
Surf and I have had this conversation in the past.

In 2003 I wrote this... and I wrote this a few years later as well.
How many times did surf call VN a good trader... how many times since has VN blown up... how much more money has he lost?

I do not know the answer... but at some point you have to think VN's mentor was WC Fields or was it Barnum.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=237790&highlight=blow+up#post237790

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Pabst I recognize your posts in the past as having good trading insight but my question to you is this? Are there not ways to trade that will have good returns untill you blow up. Isn't that what LTCM did. Isn't that the way of selling premium when it is pumped up. Isn't that what VN did. That is not good trading it is gambling. Now if he had discipline and took his losses after certain points-- and he was able to do that and make money-- you might call him a trader but from what I read he was a gambler and got nailed at least twice and maybe again.

So you have this fund you recognise a statistical anomaly you make money. Then it stops working you sell premium when it is pumped up- probably in the same intrument that is moving outside your statistcal norms. Wow market snaps back you are a genius untill the time it does not snap back. Trader or gambler?

Now add in the fact you are trusted with other people money. What type of person are you now when you understand the game you are playing. You hold yourself out as a statiscal genius but if you really understood statistics you would heed the advice of soros or your buddy who wrote the book Fooled by Randomness. Instead you blow up again. and again maybe?

Pabst his record supports the academics who argue for the efficient market hypothesis, not for being a good trader.


Also Pabst if the point of being skilled vs blowing up is tenuous than we have very different opinions of what makes a trader vs a gambler.
 
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JWH is an asset gathering machine, nothing more. Try 20% of the profits-- calculate it out--

VN had 100% years also, in fact, he took a small amount $50k if i recall, into 20 million at one point. Ask JWH investors who just started with him what they think about "trend following" NIederhoffer is high risk for high rewards, the investors know this.

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show us neiderhoffer's record for the last 20 years.
 
Surf,Oneil is a trader.

If hes dead right hes an investor

If he is s down 7-8% he is out..

Heavily influenced by Darvas and Wyckoff.






Quote from marketsurfer:

Good call, but I think he falls into the investor camp rather than trader.
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