Who are the idiots buying bonds for 1% interest?

[bone]

"Part of the point of posting this was to illustrate why spread trading is generally retarded"

Name a yield curve spread trade outside of the STIR market that did not have a better risk/reward skew than being outright short 2-Yr. Notes. That includes 2's vs. 3's. Same amount of capital, SPAN margin spread credits applied to capitalization, max drawdown, return on capital during the same timeframe horizon.

 

[The Big D]

Man, you just don't know when to quit. You should be embarassed to even show your face in here.

 

[bone]

The fact of the matter is that if you knew anything about rates you could have made a hell of alot more money with less risk than shorting of all things 2-Yr Notes. And looked better than a clueless retail punter in the process.

 

[The Big D]

Quote from bone:

The fact of the matter is that if you knew anything about rates you could have made a hell of alot more money with less risk than shorting of all things 2-Yr Notes. And looked better than a clueless retail punter in the process.

This from the guy who was busy earlier in this thread explaining how he was long. You've changed your story so many times now it's ridiculous.

 

[bone]

How do you have the mental capacity to even type on a keyboard? What exactly does the term 'short Dec 130 call deltas' mean to you - that I'm long?

Take another bong hit and nurse along that $6K IB account.

 

[The Big D]

Quote from bone:

How do you have the mental capacity to even type on a keyboard? What exactly does the term 'short Dec 130 call deltas' mean to you - that I'm long?

Take another bong hit and nurse along that $6K IB account.

That was AFTER it became apparent you were wrong - so you changed your supposed position.

I can see why providing records documenting your "profitability" is such an impossible task for you

 

[ASusilovic]

Sept. 15 (Bloomberg) -- Bill Gross, who runs the world’s biggest bond fund at Pacific Investment Management Co., reduced holdings of government-related debt for a second consecutive month in August as Treasury yields fell to an 19-month low.

The $248 billion Total Return Fund’s investment in the debt was cut to 36 percent of assets in August, from 54 percent the previous month, according to the website of Newport Beach, California-based Pimco. That equaled the lowest amount since April. The fund also boosted mortgage debt to 21 percent from 18 percent, the most since September 2009. Pimco doesn’t comment directly on monthly changes in portfolio holdings.

Yields on benchmark Treasury 10-year notes tumbled in August as concern increased that the U.S. economic recovery was faltering and speculation increased that the Federal Reserve would increase purchases of government assets. Prices of Treasures have declined for the past three weeks after a report showed private employers added more jobs in August than forecast by analysts.

The Total Return Fund has returned 11.09 percent in the past 12 months, beating 67 percent of its peers, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. It gained 0.60 percent over the past month, a performance superior to 58 percent of competitors.

http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a.8LqP9Rv2M8

As expected, uncle Gross and uncle El Erian are laughing very, very loud !

 

[Martinghoul]

Quote from The Big D:

Part of the point of posting this was to illustrate why spread trading is generally retarded. Had I simply taken the sep-dec arbitrage, I would have suffered a drawdown about on the order of the size of my eventual profit. That's ugly. Instead I got two trades, one of which never moved against me and one of which moved against me by about 1/2 the size of my eventual profit. That's much better from a risk/reward POV.

Any type of trading is retarded, if the trader doesn't know what they're doing. Clearly, you have no idea what actually moves the roll and you didn't listen to me at all when I tried to explain. Moreover, the fact that you refer to the roll as "arbitrage" is rather depressing and is yet another symptom of your unfamiliarity with the mechanics of fixed income.

At any rate, to me, frankly, going outright short 2y offers extremely poor risk reward, as I have mentioned before. Congratulations on having made money on it. Best of luck going fwd.

 

[asiaprop]

I am, just bought the 10 years this past Friday. I give this equity rally another 2% max before we roll over....then back to equity outflows into....guess what....

where do you think bond yields will go with those CPI figures, unchanged accommodating policy, low income and consumer spending levels......

Quote from misterno:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...-strengthening-debt-rally-credit-markets.html

Anybody can explain?

 

[bone]